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Smith Hodgson
Woods Grant Evans Lawrence
SBurgess Merrin WGraham Cartwright (Welch-Nichol Frei)
DCE Hastings (Taylor JNiko)
Hurrell Au'va (Gutherson Henry)
Ferguson Slater Barba (Feeney Mitchell)

- Hodgson in as a cheaper alternative to Rein/Liicha
- Took out AReynolds to strengthen backs/frf
- Fergo/Slater in competition with Gordon/Mansour
- If Hurrell doesn't start I will find funds for Fergo to go in ctr and Gordon/Mansour to come in. I will not get tempted by Mitchell F. Aubusson.

GoingNuts wrote:I would love a rate lads.  As well as any advice.

Smith, Hodgson/Granville (depending on 2nd hooker)
Woods, Stockwell, B.Lawrence, Pauli
Parker, Surgess, Cartwright, LAM, Bhana, MCK
DCE, Hastings, Taylor, JNik
Aubs, Auva'a, Henry, Scott
Super Ted, Barba, Feeney, Gutherson, Mitchell  (Barba if he gets the fullback spot).

Cheers

Seems to be a lot of love for Woodsy in a few teams, but I'm not sure I get it mate. He plays pretty much more minutes than any other prop as it is. There is less room for improvement with him then pretty much every other FRF in the comp. There will be quite a few blokes who pick up 5 or 10 minutes; Woods surely won't play anymore than the 60 he allready averages? This year is all about adapting to the 8 man interchange. It won't make a massive difference, but it will mean picking the pack players who can potentially up their minutes. Woods is one of only a few who is maxed out allready to me.

But when you compare Woods to the other premium props he is only $430k
Check last seasons stats and scores before origin hit, he was absolutely killing it.

jstands wrote:But when you compare Woods to the other premium props he is only $430k
Check last seasons stats and scores before origin hit, he was absolutely killing it.

But with the draw he loses an extra 2 games (?) to Origin on some of those. So he is already minus 100-120 points for the season with no genuine chance at improving his game minutes. Maybe I'm not looking at it right, but I've got him as 1 of only a few gun props I've completely ruled out.

SI wrote:

But with the draw he loses an extra 2 games (?) to Origin on some of those.  So he is already minus 100-120 points for the season with no genuine chance at improving his game minutes.  Maybe I'm not looking at it right, but I've got him as 1 of only a few gun props I've completely ruled out.

He'll miss the one game (r19) and all MBR's, so 4 total.

Woods has a good record of being a premium and durable. He's pretty reliable at that price. I keep tossing up between him a JGraham.

superbucks wrote:

SI wrote:

But with the draw he loses an extra 2 games (?) to Origin on some of those.  So he is already minus 100-120 points for the season with no genuine chance at improving his game minutes.  Maybe I'm not looking at it right, but I've got him as 1 of only a few gun props I've completely ruled out.

He'll miss the one game (r19) and all MBR's, so 4 total.

Woods has a good record of being a premium and durable. He's pretty reliable at that price. I keep tossing up between him a JGraham.

Two weeks shy of the season starting, we are all still playing for overall.

So Woods misses 2 extra games to non-Origin players that are also guns in the same price bracket; for example: Graham (430k) and Gurgess (453k). Running the total points that those 2 will get you with all things being equal, and both Graham and Gurgess CANNOT play Origin, they give you an extra 100-130 points over the season at 10k less (Graham) and 13k more (Gurgess).

So straight up, if they play exactly the same minutes as they all did last year, both Graham and Gurgess are allready scoring you over 100 more points for the year.

Woods I believe, without crunching the numbers, averaged more minutes than pretty much any other prop in the League. So chances are he is the least likely of the 3 to see any increase in points this year. Gurgess I believe has also missed less games to injury/suspension than both Woods and Graham over the last few seasons. So for an extra 13k over Woods, I would take Gurgess personally. He also has a higher potential ceiling with the odd big game in attack that we know he can produce.

SI wrote:


Two weeks shy of the season starting, we are all still playing for overall.

So Woods misses 2 extra games to non-Origin players that are also guns in the same price bracket; for example: Graham (430k) and Gurgess (453k).  Running the total points that those 2 will get you with all things being equal, and both Graham and Gurgess CANNOT play Origin, they give you an extra 100-130 points over the season at 10k less (Graham) and 13k more (Gurgess).

So straight up,  if they play exactly the same minutes as they all did last year, both Graham and Gurgess are allready scoring you  over 100 more points for the year.

Woods I believe, without crunching the numbers, averaged more minutes than pretty much any other prop in the League.  So chances are he is the least likely of the 3 to see any increase in points this year.  Gurgess I believe has also missed less games to injury/suspension than both Woods and Graham over the last few seasons.  So for an extra 13k over Woods, I would take Gurgess personally.  He also has a higher potential ceiling with the odd big game in attack that we know he can produce.

I am not disputing the less games, which is why I also think JGraham is an eqivalent pick.

Gurgess has the higher ceiling and the lower floor. I think he's one of those guys you can always pick up cheaper than the other 2. But also he can go on runs that make him hard to get into your squad when he's hot. For now I am comfortable with not taking Gurgess.

As for MBR's we'll make many trades in between r1 and r12. So for now I think the best bye-management is to make sure you don't load too many premiums from the same team/MBR. Rookies/Mid-pricers will likely change. I must admit bye planning with premo's is something I usually don't look at until the last minute.

Woods has an injury affected average His average in the first half of last season is around the 55 mark, no problem in dumping him over origin, he is a lock to start the season for me

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Parcell is a huge risk, he's pretty much locked into your side the whole year. You're going to struggle to make all that money to turn him into a gun later on down the track. That would be a shit load of work to do.

Forwards are amazingly impressive as you would know.

Copley worries me but it is was it is.

Everything else solid. [/


thanks Honeysett, will be monitoring Parcell over the next few days see how he's doing trial games etc, might have to do some last minute tweeks. Was hoping to start Hurrel in centres but copley their just incase..

Welshy wrote:Woods has an injury affected average His average in the first half of last season is around the 55 mark, no problem in dumping him over origin, he is a lock to start the season for me

Exactly.

CP13 + James Roberts (Or Ferguson or Mansour)
Or
Woods + Tedesco

Taking Graham out has me thinking about Fifita again, and I was never happy with my fourth reserve having to be a $320k or less 2RF. Rather happy about my latest as there is a pretty good chance of all my NPR's starting in round one:

Segs Lichaa
Fifita LAM Evans Lawrence
Surgess Merrin Tauk Carty J.Aloiai V.Leuluai
DCE Hastings Taylor JNik
Copley Auva'a Benry Gutherson
Gordon Ferguson Barba Feeney Mictchell
7k

If Barba doesn't start I might keep him as sleeper and start Feeney or Mitchell, or alternatively Rankin might be a straight swap.

To save Welshy the trouble, using his numbers it is
764 - 862 middling out to 813, which incidentally is exactly the same as my last team, but I like the balance here better

Alright lads, after spending the day with a nice lil hangover yesterday and tinkering with my team, I've narrowed it down to two options. Let me know what we think, the upsides and downsides to each etc.

A)
Smith Hodgson
JBrom Surgess KEvans Pauli
Parker Sue Cartwright Benry Leuluai Bhana
Johnson DCE Hastings Taylor
CLaw Auva'a Chee-Kam NPR
Barba Mansauce Gutherson Feeney Mitchell

Exactly $0 left over.

B)
Smith Parcell
JBrom Tolman KEvans Pauli
Parker WGraham Sue Frei Leuluai Bhana
DCE JNiko Hastings Taylor
CLaw Auva'a Chee-Kam NPR
Teddy Mansauce Gutherson Feeney Mitchell

$223k spare to play with meaning I could upgrade Parcell to Granville or Koro etc or move elsewhere.

Here's my train of thinking. I really don't want to run with a noob second HKR. I love the money it frees up but if (touch wood) the worse was to happen and Smith gets injured early, I'm in trouble. So that's a plus for the A team. The other plus is two gun halves potentially giving me a headstart over the competition. Downside to the A team in insecurity over Barba (although I could always run a rookie there).

Upside to the B team, I just feel this team looks a lot more balanced with Teddy there. It means running three rookies in the halves but seems most people will be doing that anyways. And there's the added bonus of having that cash floating around to pull the trigger on if need be.

Smith, JBrom, Parker and DCE are not leaving my side regardless, the rest of them I'm more than happy to field suggestions.

Whaddaya think lads?

I like the first team. Reserves Hodgson/Evans/Pauli/Hastings?

Are you prepared for the HOT/COLD that is Johnson?

Had Johnson for the majority of last year and to be honest he is no different to say Teddy, Hunt or Fifi... He is perhaps a little more volatile but most of the time you can rely on him. I think the key for me with him is to ensure that you have a solid consistent half along side him that gives you a guaranteed 50 each week. Last year I had he and JT up til SJ got injured.

As for team A reserves, definitely Hodgson and Evans but post that would be all gut feelings. And whether or not Barba plays. If he doesn't play I need to run Feeney or Mitchell (TLT dependent of course). Otherwise I could dump Mitchell or Feeney and bring Eden or Rankin in.

My main concerns are Cartwrights minutes and Barbas position in the Sharks line up. Got an opinion on those two concerns? Anyone else care to give me their two cents regarding my two line ups? Would be appreciated lads.

Lichaa Hodgson
Fifita Grant Evans Lawrence
Surgess Graham AhMau Cartwright Leuluai Henry
DCE Hastings Taylor Niko
Copley Auvaa Gutherson MCK
Tedesco Gordon Barba Feeney Mitchell

Not overly sold on Tedesco with his huge price

I have my concerns about what Griffin will do with the Panthers line-up but I think the upside is worth the risk. Cartwright should play big minutes and Taylor or Merrin will be the one to go to the bench for Peachey in my opinion.
The main problem with Team A is having no cash in reserve. I personally like to keep a bit of money spare where I can for a rainy day. Last year for instance I didn't start the year with Soliola but as soon as he went the 80 in Round 1 I scrambled to ditch E Lee and get Soliola in which I couldn't have done unless I had spare cash.
Running with a newb 2nd hooker has it risks but again if you leave enough cash spare it shouldn't be a nightmare trying to trade up. Let's say Ash Taylor makes a few steady price rises and Parcell maintains some decent game time, you'll bank Taylor's 70k or more when you cash him out and Parcell will probably have made a couple of bucks himself so you'll probably be good to move Parcell up to a gun Hooker who might have had a big price drop.

Random wrote:Here you go Welshy..

HOK: M. Lichaa (M. Parcell)
FRF: L. ah Mau, J. Trbojevic (B. Lawrence, NPR)
2RF: S. Taukiaho, S. Sue, R. Rochow (NPR, NPR, NPR)
HLF: A. Reynolds, D. Cherry-Evans (C) (J. Hastings, A. Taylor)
CTR: M. Aubusson, B. Ferguson (D. Copley, NPR)
WFB: R. Tuivasa-Scheck, J. Tedesco, J. Mansour (NPR, NPR)

and

HOK: J. Segeyaro (M. Parcell)
FRF: A. Fifita (C), J. Graham (B. Lawrence, NPR)
2RF: S. Burgess, L. ah Mau, S. Taukiaho (R. Rochow, NPR, NPR)
HLF: D. Cherry-Evans, J. Reynolds (J. Hastings, A. Taylor)
CTR: M. Aubusson, D. Copley (NPR, NPR)
WFB: M. Gordon, J Mansour, B. Ferguson (NPR, NPR)

HOK: M. Lichaa 55 (M. Parcell) 20-35
FRF: L. ah Mau 45-50 , J. Trbojevic 42-48 (B. Lawrence 30 NPR)
2RF: S. Taukiaho 45-50, S. Sue 35-45, R. Rochow 35-45 (NPR, NPR, NPR)
HLF: A. Reynolds 55-58 D. Cherry-Evans (C) 110-124 (J. Hastings 30-40 A. Taylor 25-30)
CTR: M. Aubusson 35-50, B. Ferguson 35-45 (D. Copley, NPR)
WFB: R. Tuivasa-Scheck 45-60 J. Tedesco 45-60 J. Mansour 40 (NPR, NPR)

727 - 865. middling out to 796. massive massive scoring potential in this team with RTS, Ted and Mansauce at the back and DCE and Arey in the halves. cracking CTS i have been chopping and changing and have Lawrence and Aubbs atm but think that will change

HOK: J. Segeyaro 55-62 (M. Parcell) 20-35
FRF: A. Fifita 124, J. Graham 52 (B. Lawrence 30 NPR)
2RF: S. Burgess 55-62, L. ah Mau 45-50 S. Taukiaho 45-50 (R. Rochow 35-45, NPR, NPR)
HLF: D. Cherry-Evans 55-62, J. Reynolds 40-45 (J. Hastings 30-40, A. Taylor)
CTR: M. Aubusson 35-50, D. Copley 25 (NPR, NPR)
WFB: M. Gordon 40 J Mansour 40 B. Ferguson 35-45 (NPR, NPR)
761 - 857. Middling out to 809
Don’t like Parcell as a second hooking option mate, really like the back end of the team minus Copley
Nice to see JReyn make an appearance

Looking for a general breakdown of the squad.

Inb4 2RFIsLight

Random wrote:Looking for a general breakdown of the squad.

Inb4 2RFIsLight

I mostly like the structure, even though I don't necessarily agree with some of the personnel.

You're all set at hooker.
Fifita's injury/suspension history worries me, but I guess he's an easy trade out. I'd be hoping for a better nuff than Kaufusi on TLT but otherwise very strong front row.
Second row is very risky, but if you like those players then go for it - I've gone with a similar approach in my front row. I have my doubts about the upside of your starters though. Maybe V Leuluai over Bhana for DPP if no must-haves emerge on TLT.
Halves is fine.
I really think centre is the position to go light. Admittedly I'm in the 'never again' camp for Aubo and not convinced Ferguson will stay at FB, but if those two fire you'll be pretty well set.
I honestly think Barba is a one year wonder - I'd much prefer a downgrade to Eden or Scott and use the cash elsewhere, but the rest of your backline is fine.

Personally I'd downgrade at centre and use the cash to upgrade a couple of back rowers, but I always like seeing people try something different and if it works you put yourself in position to make a run at the overall prize.