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    NRL Fantasy 2021 Part 77 - To'o tired to think of a witty title

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    Post by Shady2K Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:41 pm

    DPP updates:

    K Lawton (Sea Eagles) HOK +EDG
    J Bird (Dragons) CTR +EDG
    T Milne (Rabbitohs) CTR +WFB
    C Allan (Bulldogs) WFB +CTR
    R Berry (Warriors) WFB +CTR
    J Curran (Warriors) EDG +MID
    J Manu (Roosters) CTR +WFB
    A Keighran (Roosters) HLF +HOK
    K Hetherington (Broncos) HOK +MID
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    Post by StormTrooper96 Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:42 pm

    Looking at sitting on my team this week and waiting until later on to focus on trades. Feels like a week where we will get some news on certain players ie. Moses, Cleary, Fogarty that should make trades easier.
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    Post by StormTrooper96 Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:43 pm

    Shady2K wrote:DPP updates:

    K Lawton (Sea Eagles) HOK +EDG
    J Bird (Dragons) CTR +EDG
    T Milne (Rabbitohs) CTR +WFB
    C Allan (Bulldogs) WFB +CTR
    R Berry (Warriors) WFB +CTR
    J Curran (Warriors) EDG +MID
    J Manu (Roosters) CTR +WFB
    A Keighran (Roosters) HLF +HOK
    K Hetherington (Broncos) HOK +MID

    That makes Hetherington a nice possible pick up for some Mid coverage.
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    Post by Weiland Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:43 pm

    StormTrooper96 wrote:

    The thought of this game makes me tingle a little. Last time both teams had key players out and it was a cracker. This time both should be full strength apart from maybe 1-2 players.

    Yeah, the only real shame is that we might not have Cleary at all or, of he plays, potentially at less than 100%. There was a part of me that hoped both sides would stay away from each other until the GF but still, I am not sure I can remember 2 such dominant teams meeting each other.
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:44 pm

    Khany wrote:Not expecting this to be the storm team that takes the field

    I think its more likely Papy starts andHynes to 6, or Papy drops out, then the current lineup?
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    Post by Chewie Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:44 pm

    2 red dots Shocked

    I was too optimistic about having 21 green dots
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    Post by BCT05 Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:46 pm

    Ugh not the best TLT

    No Kelly still, no Moses and now Fitzgibbon dropped (yes I am still a Fitz owner...) Sure wish I traded out Fitzgibbon instead of Curran last week but at that stage Tohu was healthy and Curran was set for bench minutes.

    Thinking Fitz to Hetherington this week, and will have to loop him and Verrills for my 17th spot
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    Post by wolfking Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:46 pm

    Shady2K wrote:
    J Manu (Roosters) CTR +WFB

    WOW!!!!
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    Post by filthridden Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:46 pm

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/nsw-records-78-local-covid-19-cases/100306256

    Wonder if it was Buzz or Hooper that was passed out on the floor.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:48 pm

    robelgordo wrote:

    I think its more likely Papy starts andHynes to 6, or Papy drops out, then the current lineup?

    Yeah, we'll see if Hughes starts
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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:49 pm

    wolfking wrote:

    WOW!!!!

    Not sure you’d want a player in your WFB spot that plays CTR lol
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    Post by rhinoceroo Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:50 pm

    Khany wrote:

    Yeah, we'll see if Hughes starts

    Even if Hughes starts, Hynes to 6 is a possibility, although Papy easing back would make sense.

    Is Munster injured or just rested?
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    Post by Shady2K Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:52 pm

    Liverpool_Bulldog wrote:

    Not sure you’d want a player in your WFB spot that plays CTR lol

    Didn't expect it really. More WFB depth is always nice
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    Post by wolfking Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:54 pm

    Shady2K wrote:

    Didn't expect it really. More WFB depth is always nice

    Yep, the flexibility and depth is what I'm happy with.
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    Post by wolfking Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:55 pm

    Is DCE worth that price tag?  Other left field option I'm thinking of is Laurie To Hethro and Fog to DCE. The Manu DPP gives me that flexibility.
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    Post by hj1991 Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:59 pm

    ynot wrote:I've been digging into the whole question of "do matchups matter?". I think it's of interest with the season coming to a close which means strength of remaining schedule is becoming more variant, especially with the competition gap. It might also be helpful for H2H players looking to target specific weeks.

    Here are some charts looking at the 2021 season for players playing over 40 minutes, to filter out injuries and small role bench players.

    This looks at the correlation between game margin and total fantasy points scored. Margin being used as a proxy for the difference in how good a team is in a matchup.

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    The R = 0.25 refers to the correlation between the two variables, 0 being no relationship, 1 being a positive relationship.

    This means there is a positive but weak relationship, between individual fantasy points and team margin. i.e. The more points a teams wins by the more fantasy points an individual in that team will score.

    I think this is fairly obvious, because the events that occur when scoring game points also create fantasy points.

    Lets see what happens when we break that down by position:

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    I think this also makes sense, backs are the most effected by game results (matchups), particularly fullbacks and halfbacks both having moderate positive correlations. Centres to a slightly less extent and Five Eighths even less.

    Forwards on the other hand it doesn't matter so much, I'm guessing because their fantasy points are generated by tackles and run metres, which remain relatively consistent despite opposition.

    What doesn't remain consistent between players is minutes played, so lets look at the previous chart on a points per minute basis:

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    A slight increased in correlation but nothing major.

    To summarise: trade in backs, particularly halves and fullbacks, who have good matchups and don't trade in those that have tough matchups. Don't worry too much about the matchups for forwards!

    Pretty obvious, but I'll hopefully dig into this a little deeper though out the week and come up with some recommendations.

    Fuck me, what a post
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    Post by BCT05 Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:02 pm

    rhinoceroo wrote:

    Even if Hughes starts, Hynes to 6 is a possibility, although Papy easing back would make sense.

    Is Munster injured or just rested?

    Just rested
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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:03 pm

    wolfking wrote:

    Yep, the flexibility and depth is what I'm happy with.

    Ahh yes good point
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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:04 pm

    Happy for Papy to be eased back in for one game if he starts the last 6 games
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    Post by Bethany_B Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:06 pm

    Thoughts on keeping SJ or trading him to Murray?

    If I keep SJ, I will run with 3 trades for the last 5 rounds (am trading Hynes to Fifita next week regardless of whether I keep SJ or not)

    If I trade SJ to Murray (or Lolo, but I think Muz is the man), that means I run with 2 trades for the last 5 rounds, but means I have much better MID coverage and no real loss of coverage at HLF.

    My final team would be the following:

    Mahoney
    Haas, Angus, Ipap
    CHN, Fifita
    DCE, Moses
    Bird, Avo
    Turbo, Teddy, Walsh

    Murray/SJ, Bunt, Schuster, Watson

    Harper, Schoupp, Verrills, Berry

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