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    NRL Fantasy 2022 Part 20 - Tear your team apart for Cleary

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    Post by mattnz Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:31 pm

    rhinoceroo wrote:

    Is it just me or does this amazing thing only work on the Top 100 teams drop-down (enter button not responding)? Android.
    Works on my laptop
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    Post by Aardvark Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:31 pm

    filthridden wrote:

    My understanding is that they can skip the protocols if they can get an independent doctor to sign off on it so not particularly worried at this stage.
    (Mann owner from rd1)

    He actually got hit in the nuts and stayed down after a tackle which is why the bunker sent him for a HIA.....he passed it after pulling his knees up and taking a bunch of deep breaths


    Edit...which you realised. I need to learn to read properly and stop chasing the lols.....nah


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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:31 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    Pretty much no one has Cotter, nothing to be salty about. He may end up being a decent pick up. Just wary about him from seeing him in 1 round, where injuries and key players being rested impacted minutes, along with getting stats that he normally doesn't get.

    If he averages 50 minutes and gets 1-2 tackle breaks per game, are you going to be happy with the trade in? That would price him at around 40 points.

    JTB has been talked up by Payten as big minute prop, to come back from injury soon, as will Hess.

    We got a glimpse of big minute Lolo at lock, as promised by the assistant coach, now that he is getting back to match fitness, with 50 minutes straight, and would have played 60+ if the game wasn't a blow out.

    Gilbert is playing decent minutes in the middle when Luki comes on and Neame is playing well off the bench, getting a decent role.

    Granville covers HOK, so he isn't getting minutes there.


    Taunua-Brown is back from injury this week. He just did not get picked in the 17. As I mentioned before Luki and Neame benefited last week from Hess' injury and Lolo not coming back on for a second stint. Taumalolo is playing LOCK at the start of the game because he likes the number 13. Cotter will come on around 20-25 minutes and play out the game. Taumalolo will play his second stint at PROP. That is the role that Payton has had in mind since he started. If Cotter had not got injured last year we would not be having this conversation.


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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:31 pm

    filthridden wrote:We need to talk about Crichton. No, not the Angus variety - Stephen.

    Even with his 10 point discount for no reason whatsoever, he's still performing 10 points above previous averages at centre.

    Clearly comes back, Crichton loses kicking and roughly 6-8 points per week.
    Does his average also come back to earth and land in the mid to high 30s?

    This is the other side of the coin we don't spend enough time talking about.
    Getting the timing right on trading out a peaked/peaking cow.
    With close to 100% ownership those that get it right could get a jump on the compeition.

    So... when do you move him outside your 17... and when do you sell?

    Is in the conversation if I need cash but could very well be an end of season 19th man option. Good job security, plays in a good team so possibly loopable and covers the tricky WFB/CTR positions. If he got up above 600k after a good run I'd be tempted to move him on
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    Post by Mr Snrub Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:32 pm

    The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:OK here is my ridiculous planned trade this week

    Fifita --> Mann
    Walters --> Cotter

    I am suggesting that Fifita is a spent force without a dose of irony or fear or retribution from the Fantasy Gods. He is gonna keep on spilling coins until origin and filling everyone with false hope.

    Mann and Cotter will be keepers with DPP and are gonna pick up all the coins that Fifita is dropping who do not play origin.

    Please try to talk me out of it. I am feeling kind of crazy brave

    If I were to be blunt, I think your trades suck.

    Fifita is not a spent force at the age of 22. If you're looking to trade him out to fund a Cleary upgrade or something then that's fair enough but you'd want to make it worthwhile.

    Cotter is a big gamble and there's plenty of other options, even close to that price range who carry less risk and a better chance they'll score just as well.
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    Post by Camo123 Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:35 pm

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    Is in the conversation if I need cash but could very well be an end of season 19th man option. Good job security, plays in a good team so possibly loopable and covers the tricky WFB/CTR positions. If he got up above 600k after a good run I'd be tempted to move him on

    This was my thoughts prior to R1, not much has changed
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    Post by my tv broke Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:36 pm

    The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:

    Taunua-Brown is back from injury this week. He just did not get picked in the 17.

    if he is fully fit he will almost certainly come straight into the game day side.

    i like the cotter pick i just, don't know how it all plays out when they don't have injuries and/or a blow out win.

    coming on after 20 to 25 and playing out the game seems likely to me though.

    lolo continues to play in bursts.
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    Post by mattnz Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:39 pm

    The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:

    Taunua-Brown is back from injury this week. He just did not get picked in the 17. As I mentioned before Luki and Neame benefited last week from Hess' injury and Lolo not coming back on for a second stint. Taumalolo is playing LOCK at the start of the game because he likes the number 13. Cotter will come on around 20-25 minutes and play out the game. Taumalolo will play his second stint at PROP. That is the role that Payton has had in mind since he started. If Cotter had not got injured last year we would not be having this conversation.

    At full strength, what do you see the minutes as for MID at Cowboys (including Gilbert's minutes there)
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    Post by Regulator Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:42 pm

    Thinking this week

    Walters > Jones.

    I have no edge cover, and unless Walters manages to get into the 9, it's just going to be ongoing scraps unless he jags a try. Leaves some money on the table, But Jones should get more while being a serviceable option in the 17.

    Wait a week at least on Cleary, probably wait until the Jing train cools down, then he can fund the DCE > Cleary swap.
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    Post by thelastdodo Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:43 pm

    my tv broke wrote:working on this -
    https://footystatistics.com/team_analyser.php

    currently fairly basic but allows you to easily see other teams and their trades. will keep adding more features. probably looks bad on mobile atm.

    hopefully i don't get trouble.

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    Post by mattnz Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:48 pm

    Regulator wrote:Thinking this week

    Walters > Jones.

    I have no edge cover, and unless Walters manages to get into the 9, it's just going to be ongoing scraps unless he jags a try. Leaves some money on the table, But Jones should get more while being a serviceable option in the 17.

    Wait a week at least on Cleary, probably wait until the Jing train cools down, then he can fund the DCE > Cleary swap.

    I would expect the 6 jersey is more likely for Walters than the 9. Another loss like last week and we could see some changes.
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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:49 pm

    Mr Snrub wrote:

    If I were to be blunt, I think your trades suck.  

    Fifita is not a spent force at the age of 22. If you're looking to trade him out to fund a Cleary upgrade or something then that's fair enough but you'd want to make it worthwhile.

    Cotter is a big gamble and there's plenty of other options, even close to that price range who carry less risk and a better chance they'll score just as well.  

    Fifita could just as well lose another hundred thou before he gets his next three-try 100 point game. Not even likely to happen with the TB nerfs. If you look at last year, he has got a low floor. He has played one out of three 80 minute games this year. His reputation precedes him but it could easily be the start of a dud year. Early in the season cash generation is king. Cotter is indeed a risk, but playing conservative never got anyone anywhere. I really like him as a player. His shift to LOCK is Payton's brainchild and we all know how stubborn he is. Even if it does not come off as good as I hope it will, I will not regret it.

    https://www.cowboys.com.au/news/2022/02/27/im-loving-my-time-at-lock-cotter/

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    Post by Antipodean1 Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:50 pm

    Regulator wrote:Thinking this week

    Walters > Jones.

    I have no edge cover, and unless Walters manages to get into the 9, it's just going to be ongoing scraps unless he jags a try. Leaves some money on the table, But Jones should get more while being a serviceable option in the 17.

    Wait a week at least on Cleary, probably wait until the Jing train cools down, then he can fund the DCE > Cleary swap.

    I have decided to trade out Walters in the end for a similar reason - need cover in other positions.

    Hey if someone gets broken and he gets a full-time role, we can throw out another nuffy for him, or trade a failing gun down later.

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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:56 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    At full strength, what do you see the minutes as for MID at Cowboys (including Gilbert's minutes there)

    In a full-strength side. Gilbert does not play MID. He has been slated by Payton as playing on the EDG to shore up defence since the start of the year, same as having Cotter at MID is Payton's brainchild. The Cowboys will carry a bench EDG and a bench MID for about 20 minutes each as well as Cotter and Granville. Cotter will play the last 60 minutes of the bench at LOCK. T'lolo will go back to PROP. It will start this week.
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    Post by Welsh Mafia Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:01 pm

    God damn This conversation is making the lolo -> Gilbert/cotter trade so much more difficult 😂
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    Post by Mulvy Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:01 pm

    filthridden wrote:We need to talk about Crichton. No, not the Angus variety - Stephen.

    Even with his 10 point discount for no reason whatsoever, he's still performing 10 points above previous averages at centre.

    Clearly comes back, Crichton loses kicking and roughly 6-8 points per week.
    Does his average also come back to earth and land in the mid to high 30s?

    This is the other side of the coin we don't spend enough time talking about.
    Getting the timing right on trading out a peaked/peaking cow.
    With close to 100% ownership those that get it right could get a jump on the compeition.

    So... when do you move him outside your 17... and when do you sell?

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    Is in the conversation if I need cash but could very well be an end of season 19th man option. Good job security, plays in a good team so possibly loopable and covers the tricky WFB/CTR positions. If he got up above 600k after a good run I'd be tempted to move him on

    Camo123 wrote:

    This was my thoughts prior to R1, not much has changed

    Whilst I agree in theory, and it fits perfectly well from a trade minimisation point of view, that's a lot of cash tied up in the nprs for the majority of the season. I've thought about this a fair bit over the years, and I feel like when the time is right, moving these guys on makes sense to improve the scoring of your playing 17. I then keep an eye out over the bye period or after for a dpp guy that can fill that 19th man position, preferably with job security.

    I was thinking about this last night also when trying to figure out a way to get Cleary that doesn't involve selling Mann or a gun. Max King and Crichton are probably only 2-3 weeks away from maxing out (of course if they put up big numbers then you hold them). The hardest part is finding a decent cow to trade them too.
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    Post by Snatchpato Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:02 pm

    Realised that Mann is exactly the type of player I want in my team. Busy, loves defence, playing in the middle - big undervalued. Really, he's the opposite of Fifita, not busy, doesn't appear to like defending, plays on the edge.

    My trades this week are thus
    Fifita > Mann
    Bullemor > Jones

    301k itb with which to purchase Nathan next week all going according to plan. Those on the chopping block next week are AFB and SWalker if they don't perform this week.

    Also going to the Titans game Thursday night, so I get to watch Fifita smite-score 110 in person. Sounds fun!
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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:02 pm

    my tv broke wrote:

    if he is fully fit he will almost certainly come straight into the game day side.

    i like the cotter pick i just, don't know how it all plays out when they don't have injuries and/or a blow out win.

    coming on after 20 to 25 and playing out the game seems likely to me though.

    lolo continues to play in bursts.

    If so, at the expense of McClean or Hess with Neame to drop out of the side. Neither have been playing particularly big minute roles. The thing is that the minutes are there for Cotter if Payton wants to play it that way. I am suggesting he does. If I am wrong, I may waste a trade, but he is not going to lose money. The thing is I do think I am right so I do not see the need to wait
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    Post by Revraiser Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:02 pm

    Maybe call stumps on that one?

    As bad as shit posting

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    Post by Aardvark Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:08 pm

    Revraiser wrote:Maybe call stumps on that one?

    As bad as shit posting

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    Not as bad as your shitposting Laughing * but it's nearly getting into the Host/Laurie coin toss territory or last weeks fascinating Thompson/Croker coin toss debate




    *actually much ,much worse than your shitposting which is often a welcome interlude

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