Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs

No Worries wrote:I don't think you can blame the coach for the cap. How many times have we heard a coach at a club over the cap or with shonky 3rd party deals and 2 contracts say "nothing to do with me". And as much as part of me wants to say "how could you not know". I do believe them. It's a business I don't hire a coach to manage my books. Sure he knows what market value is and he plays the part of gilding the lily when the player comes to check things out and needs a phone call to sway him. But he's not paid to balance the books.

Looking at it as a business:

My coach tells HR he wants Dip
HR goes out to hire him.
HR goes to GM and says we can but will have to cut someone on $X or backend $X into year 3.
GM thinks backending will fuck us because we have X,Y,Z already backended & coach wants Pieman when he comes off contract next year so we can't afford to backend.
GM says to coach you have to get rid of either player A,B or C if you want Dip.

Your coach is fucked in the first place mate if he wants to skimp on Dip money to get Pieman....

leaguegod wrote:yeah my allocation of blame for des start and ends with the players he decided to buy, retain, let go, i think he would have played a big role in choosing which player he got

i think because of that, he still has carry some blame for how the cap has been spent because if we were in a terrible position but still had a solid roster, you'd atleast be able to justify it. but he made some massive blunders in regards to who we signed, who we re-signed and who we lost.

how we got the players des wanted in the first place is all on castle/dib and probably started happening right back at the start when toddy was still there, its probably snowballed from the start and CEO & chairman fucked up by letting it get so out of control

how anyone ever thought greg eastwood should ever be on 900k for any year is beyond me, that just never would have made any sense, in any situation

nor does signing both aaron woods and aiden tolman in the same year for 4 highly paid years, sign 1, fine, but both ? what the fuck, why

I'm not sure about that mate.

Yes the coach has to take some accountability for the roster but reports Hasler ruled the place with an iron fist paints the picture that he might have had more say than he probably did.

In my mind, I think the opposite.
Given your poor roster, I think Hasler has some valid excuses.

i'm j should just let that go through to the keeper

my post was originally that others deserved blame and that hasler has been to easy to blame for all of it but there is no way its an excuse for him, i've go no doubt he played a huge role is all of the Trez, lichaa, finucane, ennis, cook, tapau etc mistakes. every time he chose between who to keep and who to let go, he got it wrong (ok the lane/RFM works as the sole exception). The roster got progressively worse under his watch.

i'm not sure how much of a role he played in the woods/tolman/graham balls up, thats looks to have dibs fingers prints all over it but prior to that, he had to have a large say in those decision, there is no way a coach of hasler's stature and salary is not having the main input into the makeup of the roster

Either the Dogs were brilliant or the Cowboys were fkd

I'm thinking the Cows are in for a long season, as for the Dogs, they had a good crack when given no chance

RFM is quality, even Sharon had a go tonight

The cows are playing some really ordinary footy but it’s good to have such a positive performance for once. Just a real enjoyable result.

Well, I've got to say LG, you've hammered Lichaa's service in the past and I have never thought it was that bad.  But all of a sudden it is as plain as day to me as well.  He just almost always takes a step or two, not a run just a step or two (and backwards half the time) before he passes and that gives the defence a metre or two headstart.  It was horrible tonight and so fucking obvious.  

Not that that was the main issue tonight but yeah, I finally see what you mean!

SI wrote:Well, I've got to say LG, you've hammered Lichaa's service in the past and I have never thought it was that bad.  But all of a sudden it is as plain as day to me as well.  He just almost always takes a step or two, not a run just a step or two (and backwards half the time) before he passes and that gives the defence a metre or two headstart.  It was horrible tonight and so fucking obvious.  

Not that that was the main issue tonight but yeah, I finally see what you mean!

I've been panning Lichaa and his service for years, he is unbelievably slow around the ruck and is clueless at knowing what to do!

Even a half decent rake know where they are going before they get to the ruck, he plods then takes a while then 40% of the time makes a horribl laboured decision.Useless

Bulldogs for the spoon

Doggies games so boring zzzz

do neutrals watch our games ? can't say i would, quality in good firiday game seemed solid but apart from that every bulldogs games has been rubbish. even worse when we play another battling side

sometimes its even tougher to watch knowing we seem to put in big efforts but still can't score a point

Examples of some of our tries in recent times:

last night gutho howler
2 broncos players falling over for 2 seperate tries
ball of thurstons heads leads to a try
2 tries against penny when kikau was lost defending at centre

Outside of that you get mbye do somthing to help create a try every onc e and while and a guy like RFM run a good line and get a try every now and then. its just awful.

Foz pretty much just adds to how overall narrative really, tries really hard but doesn't create anything, needs a more creative player next to him if he is ever gonna offer anything for us.
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re our cap, i knew it was bad, but if we are truly shopping mbye despite the fact we are losing 2 mills worth of cap space in the morris bro and eastwood, then what the previous administration and coaching staff have done to our cap is a bit of a disgrace.

by the time 2019 rolls around we will probs have 1 current rep player (klem) 2 players who had played rep footy in 2017 (woods & Jacko) and somehow be forced to pay one of its better players to go play for another club, fuck me

also, klem clearly more intelligent then commentators and coaching stuff.


He has seen enough in the past 30 months to know we wern't gonna score at the end of the first half, 2 points > 0, winning by penalty goals > not winning at all


as a fan, i can't say i love penalty goals, but its pretty clear we should be kicking them whenever we get a chance regardless of the score, even down 2 tries, it seems like a better bet then the 2% we may have of scoring a fluke try.

Traditionally the penalty goal has been seen as a sign of weakness, as if your admitting defeat, you can't score a try. The days of getting a repeat set = a try are gone. Penalty goals are under rated. You only have to kick 2 or 3 and it almost wins you the game. You not only get the points it gives you a chance to reset. Play from a set piece and you should end almost where you were when you got the penalty. Also for teams with a losing culture an early penalty goal gets the monkey off the back. You're not chasing again. The Tiger's have been using it this year and I like it. There should be more of it.

Plenty of talk of offloading Klemmer and cap pressure, but SMH article on the Tigers cashed up looking for a Tedesco replacement quoting Mbye on a back ended deal of $1.9M over 2 years. If that's true it's a long way back, that's gonna take a lot of offloading and paying half of everyone elses salary cap to get back on track.




Where does that sound familiar ??????

Yeah, lose Parra are keen on Klemmer and Mybe, but Dogs saying Klemmer going nowhere.

I'd don't want anything to do with MBye, I think he is trash of the Ben Roberts variety.

But I'd love Klemmer at the Eels.

as a dogs fan, the only 4 players i'd be disappointing to lose ar eklem, mbye, jacko and RFM, we've use all our cap space for next year and we have 4 players i'd hate to lose, 4 FFS

but the good news is, we're a little better off then the shit paul kent has been throwing outs, its not 14 players into 850k, its 5 players into 500k. achievable without releasing anyone.

we signed christian crighton today, leaves 4 players to go who will all basically be 85-110k players (likely just guys in our ressies who get slight upgrades)

without taking crighton into account, here was our 25 put up at the forum last nights, i have put it into a best 17, but the term "best" doesn't seem warranted

1. mbye
2. Remis smith
3 Hollan
4 Hoppa
5 Montoya
6 Foz
7 Cogger
8 Klem
9 JMK
10 Woods
11 RFM
12 jackson
13 Tolman

14 Fualalo
15 Elliot
16 To'omaga
17 nu brown

18 lichaa
19 Olive
20 Wakeham
21 ogden
22 okunbor
23 Tualau
24 sadler
25 Smith

yuck

it was good of the club to be honest, the fans now know they don't need to release klem etc but they also know how fucked we are for a few years, it sounds like we won't be able to be a player in the market untill its for contract starting 2021.

i think our fan base as to look at other lengthy rebuilds in recent times and realize results aint happening for a while. it won't necessarily mean the CEO/board/coach etc are doing the wrong thing

its just gonna be a long few years

Rhyse Martin not part of that 25, is he not signed for next year?

yep off contract and as long as a rival club offer him more then 100k, he will go elsewhere

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Your coach is fucked in the first place mate if he wants to skimp on Dip money to get Pieman....

he already had pieman mate, prob lead the team to a few premierships already. Now Pieman has really let himself go, spends a little bit too much money on pies on weekends and prob deserves to get released

if mbye is the only guy we lose, i don't see the point but if we also end up losing 2 of hoppa/tolman/woods/foz then i'll accpet losing mbye as the moves together, even paying some freight is probably gonna assist us get back in the market for 2020 rather then 2021 to improve the squad

i'd also be happy to let mbye go now if it means bringing forward some other players salaries, again helps us moving forward and while mbye has been our best attacking player he is still part of a spine that is lucky to create 1 try even when their pack is on top, our attack is unlikely to actually get worse because that seems impossible

2019 is gonna be bad, like newcastle bad, just gotta hope we can re-build a bit quicker then they did

yesterday was the same old stuff for us, have plenty of chances to score but the spine never looks like creating anything, try was a simple overlap that was if anything gifted to us by poor defense. all the spine players are trying but they just never look creative

foz looks as injured as he is out of form, it can't hurt to give him a months rest and give cleeland a chance just to see what we have, if we are gonna create some space, lets see what the reserve graders have

on that, olive and martin played some good footy yesterday.

our recent results

lost by 2
lost by 4
lost by 6
won by 8
lost by 2
lost by 6
lost by 8

part of me is kinda amazed that this shambles of a roster actually gets into games despite having a spine that continues to be un impressive in all facets every single week, shows the toughness of a couple of our players to will us into games. jacko, klem and bmoz were huge for us yesterday

ultimately, we just continue to throw games away with lack of creativity and overall stupidity

some rather big moments of stupidity cost us yesterday

1. The adam elliot strip (i was at the game, couldn't tell if he did but would like to think the ref only calls it that way if he did), just pinned the guys in his own end and you give away that penalty ? fuck me
2. Aaron woods penalty - why ? it was so late, what were you hoping to get out of it you numpty
3. montoya, you are the slowest winger in the comp, you are not gonna run around dufty, it was 3rd tackle, go in, get the quick play the ball and saints will have a heap of players offside. we may score, we may get a penalty + sin bin. but no, run out you dimwit
4. the last second scrum play was a beautiful summarization of our spines creativity and our overall intelligence level, laughable

to make matters worse, parra won

Is it just me of is Dean Pay starting to look like Wazza Ryan ?

Love child ??