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    Post by RandomSil Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:37 pm

    wolfking wrote:Is it worth spending 200K of my war chest to bring in Bodene from trading a cheap centre via SMat?  Seems like a boom or bust play.

    I would particularly if it is a guy who doesn't have much left to earn by the looks. So Moga/Suli for mine.

    I am trading out both guys above this week and spending $200k to do so, and bringing in a gun.
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    Post by wolfking Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:41 pm

    Random wrote:So I have to start one of these guys this week.

    K. Bromwich/C. Sironen

    Then, I need to pick 4 reserves from whoever is not chosen above and the following guys.

    J. Brailey, Z. Musgrove, P. Kaufusi, C. Harawira-Naera, L. Yates, K. Elgey, R. Jacks

    Flip a coin but I'd give Siro a run.

    Bromwich, Brailey, CWN (if starts), Jacks.

    I think Jacks will bounce back with a decent score and I'm tossing between Musgrove also. Only had extra minutes cause of Surgess I believe. He looks good but might only get 30-35 if his minutes stay in check.
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    Post by wolfking Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:42 pm

    Random wrote:

    I would particularly if it is a guy who doesn't have much left to earn by the looks. So Moga/Suli for mine.

    I am trading out both guys above this week and spending $200k to do so, and bringing in a gun.

    Which gun?

    Was looking at Moga for Slater and Talakai for Bodene. It's a toss up between Suli and Talakai though I think.
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    Post by RandomSil Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:45 pm

    wolfking wrote:
    Random wrote:

    I would particularly if it is a guy who doesn't have much left to earn by the looks. So Moga/Suli for mine.

    I am trading out both guys above this week and spending $200k to do so, and bringing in a gun.

    Which gun?

    Was looking at Moga for Slater and Talakai for Bodene.  It's a toss up between Suli and Talakai though I think.

    Moga out for C. Harawira-Naera and that gives me the cash for Suli to M. Aubusson.

    I was looking at Thompson, but Aubusson has a lower BE this week, and it means i am not forced into having B. Kelly or R. Jennings inside my 17 this week.
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    Post by difO Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:46 pm

    wolfking wrote:Is it worth spending 200K of my war chest to bring in Bodene from trading a cheap centre via SMat?  Seems like a boom or bust play.

    I'd do it. gets him into your team for points but he's just as likely to start putting on 15k, 20k and back up to late 400s within the next few weeks.
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    Post by Vanish Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:46 pm

    Firstly, thanks everyone for the responses. I hope it's not anoying that I'm quoting multiple times per post, it just seemed easier than cluttering up the board with numerous posts.

    wolfking wrote:Welcome mate.  Suli scored a pretty easy 30 on the weekend, so I'll probably hold, but what you are looking to do looks good.  If it means bringing in Bodene, it could be worth it.  Saying that, Burns needs tries to get points and money.  What about trading Hayne instead?
    Thanks man. I'm hesitant to trade out Hayne at this stage. I've held him for a while already, he's only 2/3 weeks from returning, and I think he's almost certainly a better player than Suli/Cotric/Kelly etc. He didn't look so flash for his first couple of outings with the Titans this year but he's also capable of stringing together a few tackle breaks into a try and putting out 50+ games. At least I hope so anyway. I kinda wanna take a punt on him.

    Warriors wrote:I wouldn't be buying Burns because hes likely to only get you 10 points in round 12, not worth it. May I suggest Prior out anyway, Moves Yates up, move smat up and given you playing cotric anyway move him to centre and buy slater? seems good value. Then when suli, Kelly, Uate actually peak you can move smat back down which may only be 1 or 2 weeks time?

    Great team by the way and you just need to be patient and upgrade your fullbacks/centres and brailey soon. Then maybe upgrade Sironen to PODene next week?
    Thanks Smile. With Slater, are we sure he's gonna keep being value? He's gotten 5 and then 6 tackle breaks in his first two games to push his scores up, but is he likely to keep doing this?

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    Welcome mate,

    HOK: Should be set for awhile with Brailey, but will need to look at having funds to trade him out sooner than later.

    FRF: Looks really strong, I don't think Prior will make too much cash so you could look at either swapping him out for someone who will or for a gun.

    2RF: Everyone is earning cash or doing solid amount of work. However I don't see any of the guys being out and out gun keepers. Though your starting squad have potential, I see them being those borderline keepers. The guys you get stuck with for the year and they do a great amount of work but you know there are better options.

    HLF: Stacked.

    CTR: About average with what everyone else is running which is good.

    WFB: Looking really thin and probably the area of most concern for you to make things happen.

    Overall:

    I don't personally like the Suli -> Burns trade. It just seems way to sideways. However you mentioned you have to make this trade to bring in Thompson this round who looks to be at his lowest value for the year, so I would definitely make the trade just to bring in Thompson. Then you have the little extra facts you mentioned that help you out anyway. So that is the best option for your squad. The back 3 will need some addressing.

    Thanks heaps man. Yeah, that FRF seems good but Graham and Fifi just keep disappointing. They've depreciated about $100K combined and look to keep dropping. Expect they will get better soon though.
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    Post by RandomSil Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:53 pm

    Vanish wrote:Firstly, thanks everyone for the responses. I hope it's not anoying that I'm quoting multiple times per post, it just seemed easier than cluttering up the board with numerous posts.

    Thanks heaps man. Yeah, that FRF seems good but Graham and Fifi just keep disappointing. They've depreciated about $100K combined and look to keep dropping. Expect they will get better soon though.

    Not annoying, considering we have guys like SI here I am impressed.

    Yeah I know all about Fifita being disappointing. I do think they have a chance to bounce back hard. I personally feel like Fifita is pushing me into a tight situation as when Origin rolls around if he hasn't improved it will be hard to justify keeping him. Graham's issue at the moment is his minutes and not how he is scoring really. Would definitely want him to play larger stints if holding onto him.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:53 pm

    Vanish wrote:Hey guys, new here, although I've been lurking for a while. Starting up playing Fantasy again this year after playing one year in 2014. Currently sitting at rank 1918th with this team:

    McCullough (Brailey)
    Fifita Graham (Prior F.Kaufusi)
    Buhrer McGuire J.Wallace (Sironen Stimson Yates)
    Norman SJ (Jacks Elgey)
    S.Mata'utia Kelly (Idris Suli)
    Cotric Uate RTS (Hayne Abbey)

    10K ITB, 30 Trades Left

    Anyway, weird trade I'm considering this week that noone else seems to be contemplating, but cashing out Suli for B. Burns? Suli probably has one more round of price rises left, but after a low round 1 score and suspension this week Burns has only seem a price rise of $4K and has plenty of rises left, and helps me fill out my team for round 12. Cashing out Suli now would let me roll him into another cashie, where as I'm worried that if I hold him to squeeze out an extra $15K or so then I will be forced to kill off the position to cash him out.

    The $79K I get from Suli > Burns would also let me go Prior > Podene, which is definitely a plus. Thoughts?
    Move Cotric into CTR and trade out SMat for Slater.

    Does that get you enough $ to go Prior out for Thompson?
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    Post by wolfking Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:54 pm

    difO wrote:

    I'd do it. gets him into your team for points but he's just as likely to start putting on 15k, 20k and back up to late 400s within the next few weeks.

    Yeah, I'm a scrooge in real life and in fantasy also it seems haha. I am hesitant cause I planned to keep the money for Brailey but I just don't see that trade being urgent for a couple of weeks and who knows what happens between now and then. Bodene 50 odd tackles and no attacking stats last week is good. If they can get going and Johnson gets him over the try line here and there he should easily be able to be a top priced gun once again.
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    Post by RandomSil Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:57 pm

    Also re. Slater, in the handful of games he played in 2015 (6 games I think) he averaged almost 4 tb's per game. In 2014 and 2013 he averaged over 40 points for the season. He has also looked so sharp in bringing the ball back he is likely to make 3-4 TB's just from kick returns themselves throughout games.
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    Post by wolfking Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:01 pm

    Random wrote:Also re. Slater, in the handful of games he played in 2015 (6 games I think) he averaged almost 4 tb's per game. In 2014 and 2013 he averaged over 40 points for the season. He has also looked so sharp in bringing the ball back he is likely to make 3-4 TB's just from kick returns themselves throughout games.

    I have no issues bringing him in, he looked bloody great last week. The only thing is I don't think he'll play much around origin time and will be the first to be rested. That's my only concern, but I'm still bringing him in this week.
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    Post by Vanish Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:07 pm

    Random wrote:Not annoying, considering we have guys like SI here I am impressed.

    Yeah I know all about Fifita being disappointing. I do think they have a chance to bounce back hard. I personally feel like Fifita is pushing me into a tight situation as when Origin rolls around if he hasn't improved it will be hard to justify keeping him. Graham's issue at the moment is his minutes and not how he is scoring really. Would definitely want him to play larger stints if holding onto him.

    I was at the Parra game and it seemed like Fifi was tearing us apart, but he only managed to get 38 points. He was so close a couple of times to going over against the Dragons as well, but came just short of a couple of tries. I think he's due a big score soon.

    As with Graham, Des has twice this year rested him with 5-10 minutes left to play. It is probably a decent strategy for preserving your best player for the season, especially since the Manly game was so horribly one-sided already when he came off, but it's really not good for my fantasy Sad.

    dreamers wrote:Move Cotric into CTR and trade out SMat for Slater.

    Does that get you enough $ to go Prior out for Thompson?

    I've never liked Slater and I think it's colouring my perception. You and everyone are probably right, he's value and I should definitely look into him.

    That trade would let me bring in Thompson, but I don't think I want to throw away SMat just yet. I'd probably trade Prior > Slater through DPP and then look to upgrade a CTR/WFB into Thompson/Whitehead in a week or two.
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:13 pm

    Vanish wrote:

    I was at the Parra game and it seemed like Fifi was tearing us apart, but he only managed to get 38 points. He was so close a couple of times to going over against the Dragons as well, but came just short of a couple of tries. I think he's due a big score soon.

    As with Graham, Des has twice this year rested him with 5-10 minutes left to play. It is probably a decent strategy for preserving your best player for the season, especially since the Manly game was so horribly one-sided already when he came off, but it's really not good for my fantasy Sad.



    I've never liked Slater and I think it's colouring my perception. You and everyone are probably right, he's value and I should definitely look into him.

    That trade would let me bring in Thompson, but I don't think I want to throw away SMat just yet. I'd probably trade Prior > Slater through DPP and then look to upgrade a CTR/WFB into Thompson/Whitehead in a week or two.

    Definitely better options out there than Burns.

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    Post by my tv broke Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:23 pm

    Still tossing and turning over trading out SMAT or one of the centre cows. The difference in bank being around 100k to the "2nd gun hooker fund". SMAT gives a little more sense of security and perceived ability to score 35+. Trading him out would mean playing Cotric instead who is averaging a touch under 30, but probably has more potential to score poorly on any given day.

    Argh.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:40 pm

    Vanish wrote: I don't think I want to throw away SMat just yet. I'd probably trade Prior > Slater through DPP and then look to upgrade a CTR/WFB into Thompson/Whitehead in a week or two.

    I agree.

    My opinion is that much of the chatter about trading SMat is coming from people who see him as the least performing mid range player in their team AND need money to upgrade.

    However everything points to him being an 40 point player if he plays 80 minutes in the 2nd row (basically to 1dp if you extrapolate his injury affected game 3). This means he is currently 70k under valued.

    IF you buy into all that then I guess the only rationale to trade him out is that you are chasing better value and have nothing worse in your team to trade out.

    In summary my opinion is that SMat is a definite hold at the moment, and perhaps even a keeper at the C position if all of the above holds.

    others might disagree of course Smile

    PS. Im on board with Slater as of last week. I see significant value in him.
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    Post by Spectre Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:44 pm

    Is this worth 2 trades so early on?

    Elgey > red dot 
    Lamb > Cleary
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    Post by Johnny B Goode Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:52 pm

    Spectre wrote:Is this worth 2 trades so early on?

    Elgey > red dot 
    Lamb > Cleary


    Cleary is the base stats king when it comes to HLF's (I think) so why not? Bit early in the season for red dots though.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:57 pm

    Johnny B Goode wrote:
     

    Cleary is the base stats king when it comes to HLF's (I think) so why not? Bit early in the season for red dots though.  

    I've got him and despite a rough start I actually see him as being the #1 half come the end of the season. He could be as cheap as he will get from now on. He takes on the line quite regularly so picks up quite a few attacking stats to bolster perhaps the best base stats of any half in the comp?
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    Post by my tv broke Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:01 pm

    The Grevsmuhl train is getting ready to leave the station. Ownership now up to 4.

    Tui Kamikamica also has 4 selections. No other player in fantasy has less than 10 selections.


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    Post by wolfking Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:06 pm

    Getting Slater and Bodene this week makes my team a lot stronger IMO. After 2 trades my squad would look like;

    Smith Brailey
    Fifita Wallace Musgrove Yates
    Surgess Bodene Hess Siro Kaufusi Winterstein
    Norman Lamb Jacks Elgey
    SMat Turbo Idris Kelly
    RTS Slater Cotric Suli Ponga

    Still have 52K left. Not bad I think.

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