2019 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 2

SI wrote:Not sure if it is his personal attitude or coaching/team but Dufty was dead set lazy for the whole season.   I started with him last year and I think he had around 8% Ownership at most from memory.  Played a couple of pearlers Fantasy wise, but was in general terrible.

He was hot and cold to start the year and then I remember him doing an interview with Fox just before a Round 4 or Round 5 game and he was saying how he had to keep stepping up.  Bloke went on to have 2 or maybe 3 touches in the first Half  

I think you're probably right, but was it laziness or like a Croft thing where they just didn't trust him and got no ball. Genuine question, I didn't watch him very closely.

Mulvy wrote:

I think you're probably right, but was it laziness or like a Croft thing where they just didn't trust him and got no ball. Genuine question, I didn't watch him very closely.

From watching last year Widdop and hunt were very ball dominant with Dufty really only seeing the ball on a backline move or an offload. he often passed it to his wingers to bring back the ball aswell.

Mulvy wrote:

SI wrote:Not sure if it is his personal attitude or coaching/team but Dufty was dead set lazy for the whole season.   I started with him last year and I think he had around 8% Ownership at most from memory.  Played a couple of pearlers Fantasy wise, but was in general terrible.

He was hot and cold to start the year and then I remember him doing an interview with Fox just before a Round 4 or Round 5 game and he was saying how he had to keep stepping up.  Bloke went on to have 2 or maybe 3 touches in the first Half  

I think you're probably right, but was it laziness or like a Croft thing where they just didn't trust him and got no ball. Genuine question, I didn't watch him very closely.

Laziness mate in my opinion. He quite often didn't make himself available in back line moves; any decent fullback nowadays is always following the ball out the back waiting for an opportunity. He only seemed to chime in when it suited him.

SI wrote:Not sure if it is his personal attitude or coaching/team but Dufty was dead set lazy for the whole season.   I started with him last year and I think he had around 8% Ownership at most from memory.  Played a couple of pearlers Fantasy wise, but was in general terrible.

He was hot and cold to start the year and then I remember him doing an interview with Fox just before a Round 4 or Round 5 game and he was saying how he had to keep stepping up.  Bloke went on to have 2 or maybe 3 touches in the first Half  

Edit: Ooh I have powers, and used them, muwaaaaahhhh!

Edit2: So does everyone else. Hmmm. Okay, bed time..

SI wrote:

Laziness mate in my opinion.  He quite often didn't make himself available in back line moves; any decent fullback nowadays is always following the ball out the back waiting for an opportunity.  He only seemed to chime in when it suited him.

Adding on that i dont know how many time ive seen him catch the ball and pass it to his winger to run it up.

King Assassin wrote:

SI wrote:

Laziness mate in my opinion.  He quite often didn't make himself available in back line moves; any decent fullback nowadays is always following the ball out the back waiting for an opportunity.  He only seemed to chime in when it suited him.

Adding on that i dont know how many time ive seen him catch the ball and pass it to his winger to run it up.

Yep. Only loved running the ball when he smelt a try, very rarely out of his own half. Even then he did the whole wide arc thing to beat players on the outside, which more times than not saw him run 30 metres for a nett 10 metre actual gain at best; by mid season every team knew they just had to slide to shut him down. Bloke needs to use his step and an offload to create opportunities.

Bring on another year of fantasy. Just realised this is my 11th year of playing as I have kept track of my finishing position each year.

2009 - 174
2010 - 111
2011 - 17
2012 - 6,155
2013 - 1,757
2014 - 2,809
2015 - 98
2016 - 136
2017 - 222
2018 - 74
2019 - ?

DarkKnight wrote:Bring on another year of fantasy. Just realised this is my 11th year of playing as I have kept track of my finishing position each year.

2009 - 174
2010 - 111
2011 - 17
2012 - 6,155
2013 - 1,757
2014 - 2,809
2015 - 98
2016 - 136
2017 - 222
2018 - 74
2019 - ?

nice i might start doing that

2018 - 17,873
2019 - ?

Alfie wrote:Eels

8. Alvaro 45
9. Mahoney 60
10. Paulo 40
11. Lane 65
12. Ma’u 80
13. Brown 80
14. Terepo 30
15. Mannah 30
16. Moeroa/Niukore 30
17. Smith 20

Mahoney will play 80 with no Smith on the bench. Another forward!

Thoughts on a Morgo/Lachlan Lewis halves combination? A few years back I swore I wouldn't ever start a season without a bonafide gun in the halves again but the price difference from Cleary to Lewis lets me get a lot of value elsewhere and I heavily rate Lewis and love watching him.

Alfie wrote:Tigers

8. Packer 40
9. Farah 60
10. Matulino 40
11. Lawrence 70
12. Matto 80
13. Huth/Twal 60
14. JRey 20
15. Taylor 40
16. Huth/Twal 40
17. Aloiai 30

Hope you are close on this one Alfie. Would love both Matto and Huth/Twal if things played out like this

Mulvy wrote:I wanna go back to those Broncos minutes. If we agree those 10 minutes for Staggs go to the backs, does Haas really get the other 10 bringing him to 30 minutes? He's an exciting prospect but he's barely 19 and has 36 minutes of NRL experience. Coaches want to win their games which is why they give guys like McGuire 65 minutes and the bench stuff all.

Haas will average closer to 10 than 30 IMO

SI wrote:

Laziness mate in my opinion.  He quite often didn't make himself available in back line moves; any decent fullback nowadays is always following the ball out the back waiting for an opportunity.  He only seemed to chime in when it suited him.

Not sure if it was by design but on backline plays Dufty was almost used as a decoy. When running large sweeps out to the right instead of being the 3rd man in this was normally done by Widdop. This meant Dufty was hanging on the inside shoulder of the half(usually Hunt) as a support option in case the play broke down. Works very well from a team structure point of view as it freezes the chasing forwards due to Dufty's pace but doesn't produce a lot of fantasy points. On the try at about the 1 minute mark in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bHNRFXo8sg you can see this structure with Dufty lurking back on the inside and Widdop playing with the left edge. In addition to that when Dufty did find some space on attacking plays he would always turn on the jets and beat defenders so cleanly there was very little in the way of tackle breaks which as we all know are a staple from big scoring fantasy backs

TL;DR Dufty is a better real life player than fantasy player

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Not sure if it was by design but on backline plays Dufty was almost used as a decoy. When running large sweeps out to the right instead of being the 3rd man in this was normally done by Widdop. This meant Dufty was hanging on the inside shoulder of the half(usually Hunt) as a support option in case the play broke down. Works very well from a team structure point of view as it freezes the chasing forwards due to Dufty's pace but doesn't produce a lot of fantasy points. On the try at about the 1 minute mark in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bHNRFXo8sg you can see this structure with Dufty lurking back on the inside and Widdop playing with the left edge. In addition to that when Dufty did find some space on attacking plays he would always turn on the jets and beat defenders so cleanly there was very little in the way of tackle breaks which as we all know are a staple from big scoring fantasy backs

TL;DR Dufty is a better real life player than fantasy player

love the analysis MS. I started with him last year and that fits in line with how I tracked him throughout games. Not sure its fair to call him lazy when he’s still learning

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Hope you are close on this one Alfie. Would love both Matto and Huth/Twal if things played out like this

Same mate, heard from WL I think that there were whispers Madge wanted a bigger body at 13. I guess we’ll see. 43 days left til TLTs

Buramada wrote:

Mahoney will play 80 with no Smith on the bench. Another forward!

Where are you getting this info? Brad’s a big fan of Smith

I just cant understand why any team would run a 4 forward bench. Its a waste of a bench spot, and as soon as a back gets injured, youve got forwards in the backline.

Alfie wrote:

Where are you getting this info? Brad’s a big fan of Smith

I read this on fb that apparently the Eels will have a 4 forward bench with no hooker/utility so Mahoney will play 80 mins. Of course it's 1 of 100's of rumours going around.

Enchanted Glossy Flamingo wrote:Thoughts on a Morgo/Lachlan Lewis halves combination? A few years back I swore I wouldn't ever start a season without a bonafide gun in the halves again but the price difference from Cleary to Lewis lets me get a lot of value elsewhere and I heavily rate Lewis and love watching him.

Lewis seems risky. Didn’t score above 50 without a TA and his kick metres will decrease now that Foran is back

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

SI wrote:

Laziness mate in my opinion.  He quite often didn't make himself available in back line moves; any decent fullback nowadays is always following the ball out the back waiting for an opportunity.  He only seemed to chime in when it suited him.

Not sure if it was by design but on backline plays Dufty was almost used as a decoy. When running large sweeps out to the right instead of being the 3rd man in this was normally done by Widdop. This meant Dufty was hanging on the inside shoulder of the half(usually Hunt) as a support option in case the play broke down. Works very well from a team structure point of view as it freezes the chasing forwards due to Dufty's pace but doesn't produce a lot of fantasy points. On the try at about the 1 minute mark in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bHNRFXo8sg you can see this structure with Dufty lurking back on the inside and Widdop playing with the left edge. In addition to that when Dufty did find some space on attacking plays he would always turn on the jets and beat defenders so cleanly there was very little in the way of tackle breaks which as we all know are a staple from big scoring fantasy backs

TL;DR Dufty is a better real life player than fantasy player

Agree his speed made him less of a Fantasy option. But in regards what I see as laziness, there were Halves of footy where he touched the ball 2 or 3 times. You can't have an attacking weapon do that and if it was due to Coaching then that is crazy (but I'm clearly not a First Grade Coach, haha). I really liked him as a player but completely off him now.