NRL Fantasy 2020 part 22 - The one where we all come back

Clack Bocks wrote:Spare a trade for cleary

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/cleary-should-now-be-banned-for-the-season-says-deputy-premier-20200430-p54olw.html

I don't know as much about Aussie politics as I should but I know this guy is a massive fuckwit.
No one is going to get banned for the season.

filthridden wrote:

I don't know as much about Aussie politics as I should but I know this guy is a massive fuckwit.
No one is going to get banned for the season.

Fair synopsis

robelgordo wrote:

Yeah, misleading the NRL integrity unit and wider public a big no-no. Moreso than lapsing on the lockdown restrictions IMO.

In completely unrelated news, I have changed my mind and think there should be more than 2 R3 trades.

why not unlimited trades to start round 3?

sets wrote:why not unlimited trades to start round 3?

Punishes those that didn't take short term gambles with injured players due to return at any time (Flegler, JTB, Horsburgh, Katoa etc). Those that traded them in got a short term cash boost and now have to deal with the consequences. Those that didn't are now down on cash, but don't have to trade them out.

sets wrote:why not unlimited trades to start round 3?

Because its round 3, not round 1

Milchcow wrote:

Because its round 3, not round 1

I just love these simple arrogant answers, treating it like a normal year. I must have missed every other year having an indefinite shutdown after week 2, and restart at week 3. I should have planned better for that 1 in a 100 year pandemic.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Punishes those that didn't take short term gambles with injured players due to return at any time (Flegler, JTB, Horsburgh, Katoa etc). Those that traded them in got a short term cash boost and now have to deal with the consequences. Those that didn't are now down on cash, but don't have to trade them out.

This I can understand,
But on the otherside, it punishes those who took good gambles and rewards those 'risk adverse' types.


What about, everyone keeps their current points but have unlimited trades and equal total team value (team and cash on hand).

There is a big difference between giving people a few extra trades to cater for the length of the lockdown, and giving everyone a big reset button to come up with a whole new team.

Its Fanhub, so who knows what they'll actually do, but giving everyone a wildcard diminishes the comp in my eyes.

sets wrote:

I just love these simple arrogant answers, treating it like a normal year. I must have missed every other year having an indefinite shutdown after week 2, and restart at week 3. I should have planned better for that 1 in a 100 year pandemic.



This I can understand,
But on the otherside, it punishes those who took good gambles and rewards those 'risk adverse' types.


What about, everyone keeps their current points but have unlimited trades and equal total team value (team and cash on hand).

Before SOO was announced after season, 2 trades for R3 was still sensible IMO but as there'll be no bye rounds they may move 4-trade rounds elsewhere. I liked GM's idea of making it unlimited round trades for R3, but however many trades people use to fix their team would be deducted from their season total (but I doubt Fanhub could code for that)

Camo123 wrote:

Before SOO was announced after season, 2 trades for R3 was still sensible IMO but as there'll be no bye rounds they may move 4-trade rounds elsewhere. I liked GM's idea of making it unlimited round trades for R3, but however many trades people use to fix their team would be deducted from their season total (but I doubt Fanhub could code for that)

Coding this would be simple, they just set max trades for round 3 at 34.

Camo123 wrote:

Before SOO was announced after season, 2 trades for R3 was still sensible IMO but as there'll be no bye rounds they may move 4-trade rounds elsewhere. I liked GM's idea of making it unlimited round trades for R3, but however many trades people use to fix their team would be deducted from their season total (but I doubt Fanhub could code for that)

mattnz wrote:
Coding this would be simple, they just set max trades for round 3 at 34.

The problematic part with a "wild card" that impacts total trades available

Lets just say I want to trade Liam Knight to Matt Lodge - that is 1 trade
Then I change my mind and want to bring in Alex Twal instead.

If I reverse trade Lodge and start again i assume that is 1 trade. But If I trade Lodge to Twal direct does that mean I have used 2 trades in their thinking?
If there is anything approaching a wildcard, people will be tinkering like there is no tomorrow, and you can't expect everyone to use the reverse trades button before re-applying their final team. Especially when doing so makes no actual difference to their final team.

How many total trades we are left with is another interesting decision? Do they let everyone effectively max trade every week, or do they reduce total available, and if so by how much?

Milchcow wrote:


The problematic part with a "wild card" that impacts total trades available

Lets just say I want to trade Liam Knight to Matt Lodge - that is 1 trade
Then I change my mind and want to bring in Alex Twal instead.

If I reverse trade Lodge and start again i assume that is 1 trade. But If I trade Lodge to Twal direct does that mean I have used 2 trades in their thinking?
If there is anything approaching a wildcard, people will be tinkering like there is no tomorrow, and you can't expect everyone to use the reverse trades button before re-applying their final team. Especially when doing so makes no actual difference to their final team.

How many total trades we are left with is another interesting decision? Do they let everyone effectively max trade every week, or do they reduce total available, and if so by how much?

The 2 options I would be happy with. Prorate trades for the number of games played (34/26*20) minus any you have used so far.

1) Prorate trades for the number of games played (34/26*20) minus any you have used so far. Bring forward a 4 trade round reserved for origin. Nice balance between rewarding those playing the longer game and not having the entire player base drop out.

2) Wildcard to be used at any time of the season. Trades would have to be heavily reduced as you would be able to shuffle your entire 21 in 1 go. Strategic decisions would have to be made around using it now, or keeping it to grab a bunch of guns later. Non wildcard card trades for the rest of the year would have to be around 15 or it is simply too many available. Could start with 20 and remove any that have already been made

Fantasy could give out 6 trades for week 3. Any trades not used, added to overall total trades

These statements below seem to be agreed by most

- 2 Trades is unfair (and could very well end a lot of players seasons. Devastating to a lot of teams)

- Unlimited Trades are unfair to the players that took safer options initially. But not detrimental to players seasons. Unlimited trades will not be season ending to anyone immediately.

This makes me think that the 6 trade idea above could be a start

Maybe 4 trades R3 and R4, and reduce total trades for the season based on the reduced rounds (something like 26)

I will LOL if no changes are made though. Which I think I'd still prefer to unlimited or a wildcard.

sets wrote:

I just love these simple arrogant answers, treating it like a normal year. I must have missed every other year having an indefinite shutdown after week 2, and restart at week 3. I should have planned better for that 1 in a 100 year pandemic.



This I can understand,
But on the otherside, it punishes those who took good gambles and rewards those 'risk adverse' types.


What about, everyone keeps their current points but have unlimited trades and equal total team value (team and cash on hand).

We knew before the season started that the shutdown was very likely to happen. People took risks that will now have backfired. That's on them, imo.

I don't see why everyone should be able to fix their teams before the restart.

It obviously wasn't a good gamble if you traded in someone who will have now lost their position.

I'm saying that as someone who will have just as many issues as others. (..probably, haven't actually looked at my team/cant remember, but i definitely didnt trade in any horsborghs/fleglers because it was obvious shutdown was coming)

my tv broke wrote:

We knew before the season started that the shutdown was very likely to happen. People took risks that will now have backfired. That's on them, imo.

I don't see why everyone should be able to fix their teams before the restart.

@mtvb are you able to fix the phantom scores on your site for the last few rounds to assist with team planning (things like BEs aren't correct as a result)

mattnz wrote:
@mtvb are you able to fix the phantom scores on your site for the last few rounds to assist with team planning (things like BEs aren't correct as a result)

got rid of them this morning

my tv broke wrote:

got rid of them this morning

Great work thanks!

Warriors officially travelling to Tamworth this Sunday (pending being advised what they will be paid before they travel)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/121378394/warriors-get-official-green-light-to-fly-into-tamworth-pay-dispute-only-barrier-left-to-climb

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth;

My team, like everyone else's will have issues at the resumption of play. But, like everyone else, I no longer have to contend with Origin and Byes. To my way of thinking, that makes the whole game a lot more straight forward, and takes away a lot of the strategy and complexities... especially in terms of playing for Overall points.

So to me, giving us 2 trades to start with and having that as the foundation to fix all of our teams... that will be the most strategic and complex thing we'll have to get around all season. After that (however many weeks it may take), simply speaking, it's all smooth sailing (until the Second Wave shuts the entire game down for 2020).

Obviously they'll have to adjust the amount of trades we're given for 2020 but apart from doing that, I tend to think the silent majority would be pretty understanding, going into round 3 with 2 trades. To differing degrees, we'll all be put out a bit but I think most people would take it on the chin and get on with it.

The issue is going to be, as in life, the vocal minority. And it'll be trying to appease these people that will create dramas, I suspect. Because if they don't appease these punters I guess the fear is that a lot of people just throw in the towel for Fantasy in 2020 and walk away, which is not what they'd want.

I feel like giving us ample opportunity to all fix our re-starting squads is what will keep most people playing Fantasy in 2020 and therefore I'd assume they'll go down some variation of that path.