NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 30 - Roosters destroy the Broncos

I normally use a lot of trades around the bye rounds, not having to do that this season means I can "waste" a few more trades. That's also a reason why I didn't feel too bad dropping Taumalolo this week.

mattnz wrote:The key to getting to a best 17 is having players that are either undervalued keepers, or going to increase in value. Most WFBs that people have at the moment are one or the other. Papy in 4 rounds has shown neither and is currently a wasted slot.

I don’t really agree, I think he’s an undervalued keeper still. but your aggression could be the best strategy with the season format.

People were talking of dumping Papi last round too. Also going to be discussion around it when a borderline keeper is putting out mid-range scores. 32 with a try is worrying but he also had no TB or LB and more errors than usual. I think there's enough good signs in his effort and run metres that big scores are only around the corner.

Do need to see both Ponga and Turbo again this week to get a true judgement on how they are going but I think Papi -> Gun WFB is a little sideways.

Also he should’ve got like 15 points for knocking that penalty touchfinder back in the field. It was pretty cool.

Mighty Fishes wrote:208/6 killing it

Do you think you can keep that momentum going?

I dont doubt that Papy will score some tries and get some decent scores this season, but don''t see him matching guys like Teddy, Ponga, Turbo, Holmes. All of them have the teams attack revolve around them. Lots of tries and try assists.

Matto and Siro anytime ts

I tried to articulate my thoughts on Papy yesterday but no one was talking about it. The thin with Trading out Papy is who to? Teddy and Ponga are 1&2 so who fits in the 3rd I think is a toss up between Turbo, RTS, and Paps. Trading Papy to Teddy/Ponga now only to bring in Turbo as well seems like a luxury trade but who knows this could be Turbo's year to go from High 40's to high 50's

Chewie wrote:I normally use a lot of trades around the bye rounds, not having to do that this season means I can "waste" a few more trades. That's also a reason why I didn't feel too bad dropping Taumalolo this week.

Same, I feel like I have been unshackled.

I think all the Papy trade out talk stems from the guns and cows model. People don’t really have many underperforming mid rangers now so you either wait out for cows to peak and watch big scores get racked up or sort of sideways trade up to gun

mattnz wrote:I dont doubt that Papy will score some tries and get some decent scores this season, but don''t see him matching guys like Teddy, Ponga, Turbo, Holmes. All of them have the teams attack revolve around them. Lots of tries and try assists.

Minus Holmes all others are after this weekend 100k more than Papy. Turbo the lowest of 3 highest historical seasonal average is 48. Far smaller sample but Papy currently at 53

mattnz wrote:The key to getting to a best 17 is having players that are either undervalued keepers, or going to increase in value. Most WFBs that people have at the moment are one or the other. Papy in 4 rounds has shown neither and is currently a wasted slot.

His lowest score is 32 and his highest is a tryless 50. One big score next week and all of a sudden he's averaging nearly 50. Are you really going to write him off?

The thing is if you have a backline of Papy, Drinky, Kennedy, which many of us started the year with, 2 of them are outperforming their cost with low BEs, the other is losing money. If you want to upgrade to get in a gun WFB, the ones that are increasing in value and performing well, aren't the ones to trade out yet, they are the last 2 to be upgraded.

Mitchell looking like he could end up in the conversation for WFB3 as well, with added advantage he can also become CTR2.

mattnz wrote:The key to getting to a best 17 is having players that are either undervalued keepers, or going to increase in value. Most WFBs that people have at the moment are one or the other. Papy in 4 rounds has shown neither and is currently a wasted slot.

I agree with you to an extent. It certainly would have been ideal to start with someone else who was priced below their point output like Cotric. But once the season starts you also have to factor in trade costs or you will go great guns for 10 rounds improving your team week to week and then drop off a cliff. Nothing wrong with getting rid of him and playing 3 other wfbs that fit the gun or money maker mould but you also have to consider if the benefit warrants a trade. For me, Papi is good enough to run as I can see him increasing his average and see more value in using the trade elsewhere.

But in saying that williame among a bunch of other cash cows will probably match his score this week, meaning you could theoretically be playing them and have a whole bunch of cash used in other spots. Don't think others should shoot it down totally as their is certainly logic to it, I just worry you might burn through trades too quickly treating it as a sprint instead of a marathon, especially when it is a position that doesn't have a lot of great keeper options.

WT2K wrote:Matto and Siro anytime ts

20 on Taupau anytime #martywatch

mattnz wrote:The thing is if you have a backline of Papy, Drinky, Kennedy, which many of us started the year with, 2 of them are outperforming their cost with low BEs, the other is losing money. If you want to upgrade to get in a gun WFB, the ones that are increasing in value and performing well, aren't the ones to trade out yet, they are the last 2 to be upgraded.

Mitchell looking like he could end up in the conversation for WFB3 as well, with added advantage he can also become CTR2.

Yeah that is a better explanation - you're right - if you are backed into a corner and need to trade out the worst of a good bunch, that's logical... as opposed to "get rid of him, he's not a keeper and he's not making you money"

It is honestly hilarious how some look at fantasy! Mitchell after 1 big score in 4 games Is now a huge trade in target....after many absolutely panning him and still without GK

Even at CTR so slightly different as top end players not as high scoring as WFB but he’s playing FB and his average playing fullback is 36.5....and now no GK

His highest average at CTR is 50. He isn’t playing CTR....with GK

Papy who has an average at current position of 53, seasonal average a tick under 40 (after 4 games) with a low score of 32 for WFB is on the trade block.

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Welshy wrote:It is honestly hilarious how some look at fantasy! Mitchell after 1 big score in 4 games Is now a huge trade in target....after many absolutely panning him and still without GK

Even at CTR so slightly different as top end players not as high scoring as WFB but he’s playing FB and his average playing fullback is 36.5....and now no GK

His highest average at CTR is 50. He isn’t playing CTR....with GK

Papy who has an average at current position of 53, seasonal average a tick under 40 (after 4 games) with a low score of 32 for WFB is on the trade block.

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Fallen gun, with low BE next week. Started the season unfit, now up to speed. A fit Mitchell at fullback, involved in everything and a key part of their set plays, should outperform an unfit Mitchell at center from last season.

Liverpool_Bulldog wrote:

Thank god, I had Tyzone

Christ ! It would have went so well with the 3 leg 135/1 I bagged and all.

robelgordo wrote:

I think it could be easier this year without trying to maximise scores through a bye/origin period. But at the same time nobody is getting close to having their absolute best 17 either. So I think getting rid of someone like Papy this early is pretty superfluous. Worst case he’s like the 5-6th player at WFB, best case I’d say he’s 3rd.

Whats an absolute best 17 though?

The top averaging players over the course of the season arent necessarily the players to target mid to late year. Its all about timing, eg i mentionrd hopoate earlier today. If you grab a guy in round 14 then all thaf matters is what he averages from round 14 to round 20.

There is a lot of luck and gut feel about that, but thats just how the game is.

I got mofo this week, as soon as i saw him play last weekend i knew i was getting him. Analyse all the stats you want on him but its largely a gut feel that he will become the alpha prop 50+ guy there. Its not all about base stats for him and for him to average 50+ he'll have low 40s scores mixed in with 70s

Im actually surprised so many others have grabbed him tbh