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    NRL Fantasy 2022 Part 59 - Who let the Dogs into the winner's circle

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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:58 pm

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    It's a better forum than here. Don't exactly think y'all are all footy geniuses either.

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    Post by rhinoceroo Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:07 pm

    The thing that annoys me most at the moment is the pernickerty, authoritarian interpretation of a knock-on, when infintessimal "losing control" is called if there's a slight movement of the ball even when the ball-carrier's hand is still on it. Turning over possession is a huge thing in Rugby League, it shouldn't happen for virtually nothing, and also shouldn't require a minute of stoppage and tape being watched like it's the Kennedy assassination (the other Kennedy, not the spud).

    While I'm at it... I like the bunker - it's there to make correct decisions easier - but if they can't come to a decision after a 30-second shot-clock just hand it back to ref's call and get on with it.

    Fantasy-wise the thing that always irritates is either ankle taps or big hits that knock a player off their feet being recorded as missed tackles.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:19 pm

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    I'm going to exclude players like Latrell and Turbo that can play another position at a high level but wouldn't make it in their primary position. This also means the likes of Murray will be primarily treated as a lock

    I'm still of the opinion Bateman is the best second rower in the world, although I haven't watched him play at all this year

    1. Teddy
    2. Addo-Carr
    3. Manu
    4. Gagai
    5. To'o
    6. Munster
    7. Cleary
    8. JFH
    9. Grant
    10. Welch
    11. Kikau
    12. Bateman
    13. Yeo
    14. Murray
    15. Tino
    16. Taumalolo
    17. Tapine

    Most controversial ones are probably Welch, Bateman and the utility. Prior to injury Welch was the number 1 prop in the world IMO and I'm assuming he comes back the same. Utility I wanted to pick someone that has proven ability to play multiple positions at a high level. Murray has covered middle, edge, centre and has the ball skills to cover halves in an emergency

    I forgot about Tapine in the team he posted. Yes, I'd have him in front of Haas. The only reason I didn't pick Welch is because he's long-term injured, although so is Turbo so wasn't exactly being consisent.

    Bateman has been pretty average since coming back to Super League. OK, but not even the best second-row in his team, let alone the comp, let alone the world. It's strange - some players are more suited to NRL than SL - Hodgson was ok not great but tore up NRL, Ryan Hall owned Super League but did nothing in Australia. Be interesting to see how Bateman looks in the World Cup.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:21 pm

    Think Holmes is better ctr than Gaigai in his first season in the position.
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    Post by Revraiser Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:47 pm

    Aardvark wrote:

    An offload might be handy there  Very Happy

    Handy, so to speak
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    Post by thelastdodo Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:47 pm

    Sorry for asking dumb questions, where do I find break evens for round 16







    ps go qld
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    Post by GarethEllisismyDad Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:48 pm

    Lchy wrote:

    Excellent post. Nothing to add to 1 and 2, 3 is a fucking superb idea that I've honestly never even thought of before.

    4 is a tricky one. Inherently, some clubs will always be able to pay unders - whether that's Storm, Roosters, Rabbitohs, Broncos being able to offer off field TPA type stuff due to rich owners, also players will often take unders to play in a winning side, example Manu taking less to play centre at the Roosters rather than chase 7 figures at fullback for the Warriors. If the Tigers and Roosters offered you an identical contract, same position, same role, same salary (same super contribution), you'd take the Roosters offer unless you were a psychopath. Cellar dwellers will always need to pay overs for players like Ponga, JAC and Burton to use them to attract more talent to jump on board as a result. Also some clubs are geographically disadvantaged such as Cowboys (Townsend on 750k, allegedly, says it all) and Raiders, because who wants to live in Townsville or Canberra, honestly. The less we say about the Warriors here the better. Player managers and social media don't help with player values too, this kinda stems back to point 1 you made where there's a lack of talent in coaching staff and they are dumb enough to pay overs for the wrong player.

    Salary cap is a tricky beast and not something that can be tackled easily because capitalism within the comp will always be there no matter how hard you try to equalise things.

    gotta be honest i dont exactly undertsand the whole TPA thing, seems completely sus though in a game of supposed salary cap parity,

    i think my point generally is just that, hype, potential, media bias, leads to some players being paid way too much, and if a teams was to sign players on their own merits, analytics, rather than fantasy stats, media hype.

    i keep reading about big names fueling memberships but i reckon a winning team is much more likely to put bums on seats than not. the obvious example is moneyball as a precursor to this, but with pretty much all teams mismanging their cap in my opinion, i think there is scope for innovation in this area.

    if you frequent the nrl reddit, in the AMA christian welch made a couple of comments about melbourne tracking stats that actually matter for winning games rather than run metres etc, though he didnt go into detail i'd imagine that melbourne employ different metrics in performance, scouting and review. I think this is born out by their ability to take average players in one system and turn them into superstars (papy, fox, widdop etc) or into high standard NRL players, (reimis smith, meaney, olam, josh king, etc etc) - they are seeing something in players others are not, and able to coach them into a winning formula


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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:49 pm

    thelastdodo wrote:Sorry for asking dumb questions, where do I find break evens for round 16







    ps go qld

    https://www.footystatistics.com/
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    Post by Revraiser Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:52 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    The opposition being able to catch the ball within 10 meters on the kickoff works perfectly in Union.

    In what way do u mean though?
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    Post by Cantbeatwinners Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:54 pm

    There doesn't appear to be any stand out world stars at superleague at present, your James Graham, Sam Burgess, Adrian Morley standard that immediately spring to mind that would in the past be thought of as world 13 standard players.
    Alex Walmsley, Morgan Knowles and Tommy Makinson are all wonderfull players at super league level, and it sure will be interesting how they fair at the up coming world cup. Maybe theyll put a hand up to be considered at world standard class.
    The reason they're probably not in people's thoughts is the fact that they're not tested at world level enough, lack of international rugby league especially at the highest level, is probably my biggest criticism and concern and is probably the biggest contributing factor why the northern hemisphere players and the game as a whole isnt at the level it could be at.
    For me, more international rugby league should be a priority providing more exposure, and then more income and resources, to enhance the whole game.
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    Post by Revraiser Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:59 pm

    rhinoceroo wrote:The thing that annoys me most at the moment is the pernickerty, authoritarian interpretation of a knock-on, when infintessimal "losing control" is called if there's a slight movement of the ball even when the ball-carrier's hand is still on it. Turning over possession is a huge thing in Rugby League, it shouldn't happen for virtually nothing, and also shouldn't require a minute of stoppage and tape being watched like it's the Kennedy assassination (the other Kennedy, not the spud).

    While I'm at it... I like the bunker - it's there to make correct decisions easier - but if they can't come to a decision after a 30-second shot-clock just hand it back to ref's call and get on with it.

    Fantasy-wise the thing that always irritates is either ankle taps or big hits that knock a player off their feet being recorded as missed tackles.

    The bunker length of time is a gripe of mine also, but it seems its paternally the guys in it or who run the video.back.and forth, or choose which video angle to look at. It's the order and starting with the wrong video almost every time. It must be down to user ability, it feels like someone has been shown how to review a play five minutes ago, and they haven't watched league before, and are fumbling with an Atari style controller.
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    Post by my tv broke Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:01 pm

    Revraiser wrote:

    The bunker length of time is a gripe of mine also, but it seems its paternally the guys in it or who run the video.back.and forth, or choose which video angle to look at. It's the order and starting with the wrong video almost every time. It must be down to user ability, it feels like someone has been shown how to review a play five minutes ago, and they haven't watched league before, and are fumbling with an Atari style controller.

    What we see on tv is not what the bunker is looking at.
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    Post by mattnz Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:19 pm

    Revraiser wrote:

    In what way do u mean though?

    The opposing team can catch the ball before it reaches 10m and play on, before the team kicking off can touch it, so they still have an advantage.
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    Post by Grouse Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:24 pm

    For anyone who is watching the 19's game tonight.

    For QLD watch out for Robert Toia - signed with the Roosters.

    For NSW watch Thomas Weaver - signed with the Titans.

    Both quite good at rugby league.
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    Post by my tv broke Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:29 pm

    Grouse wrote:For anyone who is watching the 19's game tonight.

    For QLD watch out for Robert Toia - signed with the Roosters.

    For NSW watch Thomas Weaver - signed with the Titans.

    Both quite good at rugby league.

    All eyes on Blake Mozer tbh
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    Post by Camo123 Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:33 pm

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    All eyes on Blake Mozer tbh

    Jack Howarth probably within a shout of role in 2023 for Storm with KBrom and Kaufusi going to Dolphins. Sims is coming but other spot potentially open

    Pretty sure he’s the Australian Schoolboys captain
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

    So Smith & Slater will probably leave Cleary alone now, who's the next target going to be ?
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    Post by mattnz Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:38 pm

    Camo123 wrote:

    Jack Howarth probably within a shout of role in 2023 for Storm with KBrom and Kaufusi going to Dolphins. Sims is coming but other spot potentially open

    Pretty sure he’s the Australian Schoolboys captain

    Seems much harder to get a start at a young age these days, especially in the forwards.

    He has been playing in the CTRs for Falcons.
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    Post by filthridden Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:47 pm

    Who is this Matthew Thompson person commentating and why do I immediately dislike him?

    Oh thank God it's on Fox as well.
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    Post by filthridden Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:53 pm

    10min in and it's crazy how much higher the skill level is compared to NYC/u20s origin from years ago.

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