NZ Warriors 2016 Thread

dasherhalo wrote:I think the Kiwi's have recruited very well this year. Luke and RTS are a clear statement they're after a premiership in the next 2-3 years.

If SJ comes back whole, this is starting to look like a top 4 squad.

While I will agree that for once it certainly looks like the Warriors are finally going after a premiership, there squad has had top 4 potential for the last few seasons. The problem has never been the team is weak on paper, or if every single player in the league plays to their best ability they aren't good enough. Warriors problem has always been attitude and a general willingness to put in the hard yards and effort when they need to.

Regardless of whether you think Cappy is a good enough coach, I think a problem that many Warriors fans have (myself included), is that I don't think Cappy is a premiership winning coach. Very rarely does a team win the comp without a top coach. Maybe Cappy is a good enough NRL coach, maybe he isn't but frankly I don't care. The team has recruited in such a way that it is clearly obvious to all what they are targeting. Top 8 isn't good enough with this side. It's top 4 and shot at winning the GF so they need to try and get a coach who can achieve that for them or they could waste a squad that is primed with young talent, experienced forwards and one of the best spine combos in the game.

Beast From The Big East wrote:

While I will agree that for once it certainly looks like the Warriors are finally going after a premiership, there squad has had top 4 potential for the last few seasons. The problem has never been the team is weak on paper, or if every single player in the league plays to their best ability they aren't good enough. Warriors problem has always been attitude and a general willingness to put in the hard yards and effort when they need to.

Regardless of whether you think Cappy is a good enough coach, I think a problem that many Warriors fans have (myself included), is that I don't think Cappy is a premiership winning coach. Very rarely does a team win the comp without a top coach. Maybe Cappy is a good enough NRL coach, maybe he isn't but frankly I don't care. The team has recruited in such a way that it is clearly obvious to all what they are targeting. Top 8 isn't good enough with this side. It's top 4 and shot at winning the GF so they need to try and get a coach who can achieve that for them or they could waste a squad that is primed with young talent, experienced forwards and one of the best spine combos in the game.

like ive said before, if we have a losing record after 5 rounds, he will be gone. much like elliott in 2014. we were 2-3 when he got the boot.

tat-tall wrote:

like ive said before, if we have a losing record after 5 rounds, he will be gone. much like elliott in 2014. we were 2-3 when he got the boot.

problem is then it might be too late to sort it for the season. The problem is there for all to see and it isn't a lack of ability in the roster. Whichever coach they go after needs time to get his systems in place and crack down on the attitude and team culture problem that everyone can see. Hard to do that when you are preparing for a game each week. Cut their losses now, get a coach and give him the pre-season. Of coaches without a gig at the moment the best choice would be Toovey if you could persuade him.

Has anyone started a book on how many weeks Luke is going to spend on the sidelines next season?

surely 4+ is just like printing money

Clack Bocks wrote:Where and how do we watch the Kiwis play England in the coming week?

This.

Bump

Not long now till the start of a new season and hopefully a new era for the Warriors. It seems like every year us faithful fans are optimistic about the upcoming season only to end up disappointed. Although with that been said its hard not to be excited about 2016 with the excellent recruitment the club has done.

I think robson is a much smart signing then people think. When the warriors go off the rails they never do it half assed. Watching them at their worst all common sense and logic just seems to go out the window. If they just needed to do 2 quick scoots, 3 hitups and a kick for touch to win a game they would manage a no look pass over the sideline or a knock on off an offload that wasn't on.

Robson is that simple gameplan person to steady the ship. Simple complete and kick for metres as he doesn't really have the skillset to do anything else but doesn't need to.

There is no excuses now unless there are mass injuries. On paper the Warriors are a top 4 side IMO. They simply have to make the finals and boy could they upset a few sides if they go on a run. Im genuinely excited by their 2016 side and look forward to watching them carve up.

RhinoNQ wrote:I think robson is a much smart signing then people think. When the warriors go off the rails they never do it half assed. Watching them at their worst all common sense and logic just seems to go out the window. If they just needed to do 2 quick scoots, 3 hitups and a kick for touch to win a game they would manage a no look pass over the sideline or a knock on off an offload that wasn't on.

Robson is that simple gameplan person to steady the ship. Simple complete and kick for metres as he doesn't really have the skillset to do anything else but doesn't need to.

Couldn't agree more. For awhile now we have lacked the one thing we needed to help close out wins. Someone who will get the ball and kick it as far down field as possible rather than a chip over the top from our own 30. Nothing flashy, no worldclass performances, just simple and logical footy

Plenty of points in this side, however our season will hinge on the ability to defend and having the mental fortitude to close out tight games. The appointment of Justin Morgan as defensive coach is encouraging, given that he just spent 2 seasons at Melbourne and we know how good there defensive structures are. Although its hard to gauge how good he actually is considering he was working under Craig Bellamy.

Any of you lads know much about Afoa? Bloke looks pretty promising.

How are you fullahs feeling about the Warriors? I reckon if we don't beat Melbourne this weekend McFadden (if he's not already) will be effectively gone. There have been massive rumours circulating for some time now that Clearly is all but signed up and its just a matter of time.

For me the problem with the Warriors is simply they can't/refuse to tackle, and players like Vatuvaei, Hurrell, Kata etc are too much of a liability when more than one play in the same starting line-up. The Warriors edge defence has to be sorted out otherwise they will struggle in the NRL and one has to think there is an issue with attitude as well. Finally Shaun Johnson disappoints me. He's no longer a young kid in NRL terms. He needs to step up both on and off the field. He gives the impression that he is happy being a good exciting player and is not particularly interested in putting in the work to be one of the games greats. I think the Warriors need him to be the later.

I'm hoping we come right, but fear a change of coach and a lot of passing the buck is imminent. We have the squad to be a top 4 team but are playing and acting like a bottom 4 team.

Thoughts?

i think mcfadden will be given the whole season, whether he should or not is up for debate!

leaguegod wrote:i think mcfadden will be given the whole season, whether he should or not is up for debate!

Really? Everything I'm hearing over here suggests he is all but gone already.... When the organisation starts coming out saying "they fully back their man" it usually means he has no more than a few weeks left... Remember, dating back to last season they are currently on a 10 game losing streak which really should be unacceptable for a team with their roster.

I personally think they should get Cleary. He should never have been let go in the first place. But he has a proven record with the club and so if he can't sort out the mess then I'm not sure there are many that would be able to.

That being said the issue is with the players not the coach - I'm just hoping a new coach might be the kick up the arse some of the players need to get them going.

Who else has heard Stacey Jones will be the coach for the remainder of the year ?

Your Name wrote:Who else has heard Stacey Jones will be the coach for the remainder of the year ?

First time i've heard his name mentioned, although its obvious Mcfadden is under pressure.

Unfortunately the club is in a difficult position at the moment, its obvious that Mcfadden is out of his depth, yet they can't just get rid of another coach as its incredibly damaging to the clubs already bad reputation and no actual decent coach will ever want to come here given the high risk and low job security.

You can say what you want about Ivan Cleary but he at least made this team competitive and right now most fans would kill for that.

Your Name wrote:Who else has heard Stacey Jones will be the coach for the remainder of the year ?

Didnt Joey Johns mention this on the Sunday Footy Show a week or two ago?

Bren wrote:
Didnt Joey Johns mention this on the Sunday Footy Show a week or two ago?

I heard it 2 weeks ago or there abouts, but that wasn't the sauce. The person who told me keeps their sauce in the cupboard and is more reliable than repeating media rumour..

Your Name wrote:The person who told me keeps their sauce in the cupboard

I wouldnt trust that person as far as I could kick them...

Your Name wrote:Who else has heard Stacey Jones will be the coach for the remainder of the year ?

Yup I heard that one as well. That has been doing the rounds over here too.

I just can't see how he holds his job if they lose this weekend....

If thats the case I really hope they go with Cleary though.