NRL Fantasy 2023 Part 77 - The Oprah Round

wolfking wrote:

But that just potentially counteracts the trade right?  Give up 50 points for a trade to get a player in to score 40 or 50?

Obviously you trade in a player that scores 80. Simple maths

wolfking wrote:

But that just potentially counteracts the trade right?  Give up 50 points for a trade to get a player in to score 40 or 50?

For example I’ll be out of trades with no HOK cover.

If Grant was injured, I would spend 50 points to gain a HOK for 3 rounds and probably gain 100 points overall. I think we discussed last year and ideal point deficit would be around 100-150

Shady2K wrote:

Obviously you trade in a player that scores 80. Simple maths

Obviously you trade in a player that scored 80, last week.

Khany wrote:Expecting Papy to be on the Storm extended bench

I highly doubt it, he hasn't even played a full game in Qcup yet.

My guess is he isn't on it this week, plays the 80 in Qcup then gets on the extended bench next week and plays another game at QCup, then onto the bench in round 26-27 (or directly to FB if he's feeling up to it)

Camo123 wrote:

For example I’ll be out of trades with no HOK cover.

If Grant was injured, I would spend 50 points to gain a HOK for 3 rounds and probably gain 100 points overall. I think we discussed last year and ideal point deficit would be around 100-150

Yeah, fair enough. Didn't think about it that much by the looks.

We had plenty of trades this year, certainly enough to manage you through the byes and jump on most of the cashies.

I’d be unhappy if someone in front of me with zero trades left was able to partially negate that in the final rounds by buying a trade. The cost would have to be punitive and even then if there’s three round left and it costs you a score in one you still come out ahead.

Aardvark wrote:We had plenty of trades this year, certainly enough to manage you through the byes and jump on most of the cashies.

I’d be unhappy if someone in front of me with zero trades left was able to partially negate that in the final rounds by buying a trade. The cost would have to be punitive and even then if there’s three round left and it costs you a score in one you still come out ahead.

Hard agree on this.

Salary cap rather than points sacrifice would be interesting as it would mean impacting your team strength/depth.

On the same discussion, it also means people who kept cover on their bench are penalised as well if you could buy a trade
I mean these are my 3 ‘playable’ benchies but it meant sacrificing elsewhere to take a tier below on a couple other players like Butcher/Matterson vs a haas/yeo

Boyd (hok/hlf)
Lem (ctr/edg)
Bula

Not the greatest but all have been heavily sold recently

I could almost argue that 4 trades in major byes is too much as well but it is what it is
But if you choose to downgrade the above to red dots or trade green dots to get more guns it shouldn’t be without risk should you run out of trades/cover

wolfking wrote:

Milchcow wrote:

If they went this route, it would be better to charge points, rather than dollars.

I think 40-50 points for an extra trade would be an appropiate cost.

But that just potentially counteracts the trade right?  Give up 50 points for a trade to get a player in to score 40 or 50?

If you made trades too cheap then everyone would just go nuts making extra trades. Have to make it a little bit risky

End of season though it would almost always be worth it

4 weeks of scoring 40 better than 4 weeks of scoring 0, even with a one off points penalty.

i think the more interesting twist would be allowing a wildcard once a season.

Would result in a few interesting strategies.
Use it early to maximise cash generation and pick up all the good cheapies.
Use it during origin to maximise bye player availability
Use it post origin to get in final 17 ASAP

Would also want to reduce max trades per week back down to 2 (3 in the big byes) as post-origin 4 trades is almost as good as a wildcard anyway.

Milchcow wrote:
i think the more interesting twist would be allowing a wildcard once a season.

Would result in a few interesting strategies.
Use it early to maximise cash generation and pick up all the good cheapies.
Use it during origin to maximise bye player availability
Use it post origin to get in final 17 ASAP

Would also want to reduce max trades per week back down to 2 (3 in the big byes) as post-origin 4 trades is almost as good as a wildcard anyway.

SC do that with their boosts

Unsure of the amount, but lets you do extra trades on a given week

Eg like you said use 4 trades early to grab all the cheapies

I think they nailed it with the trades this year. The main reason I quit after 2018 was the reduced squads and no additional trades, but the extras this season enticed me to come back. I might stumble at the death with only 2 left, but I can think of a few that I pissed away and probably some others I'd rather not be reminded of.

People will be more prepared next season now that we know the impact of the weekly byes and if you're planning to play 13 for the major byes, make sure you save a few before grabbing midrangers and cheapies for 1-2 scores.

WT Winfield wrote:People will be more prepared next season now that we know the impact of the weekly byes and if you're planning to play 13 for the major byes, make sure you save a few before grabbing midrangers and cheapies for 1-2 scores.

yeah true - would be good for things to stay as they are for next season. be interesting to see how people plan/handle it better. admittedly i won't do any more planning than i did this year (zero), but obviously a lot of people do think things through.

nothing to back this up but i actually think the extra trades this year helped me (generally more patient) against the 'pack'.. seemed like a lot of people burned through trades with sideways/kneejerk trades.

Milchcow wrote:
i think the more interesting twist would be allowing a wildcard once a season.

Would result in a few interesting strategies.
Use it early to maximise cash generation and pick up all the good cheapies.
Use it during origin to maximise bye player availability
Use it post origin to get in final 17 ASAP

Would also want to reduce max trades per week back down to 2 (3 in the big byes) as post-origin 4 trades is almost as good as a wildcard anyway.

Most likely panic and use it the first time I have 3-4 underperformers hahaha

WT Winfield wrote:I think they nailed it with the trades this year. The main reason I quit after 2018 was the reduced squads and no additional trades, but the extras this season enticed me to come back. I might stumble at the death with only 2 left, but I can think of a few that I pissed away and probably some others I'd rather not be reminded of.

People will be more prepared next season now that we know the impact of the weekly byes and if you're planning to play 13 for the major byes, make sure you save a few before grabbing midrangers and cheapies for 1-2 scores.

Everyone else going to be fighting for 2nd place once my luck reverses in 2024

The Dragons have been forced into another centre shake-up with Zac Lomax and Jack Bird set to be ruled out through injury.
The  Rabbitohs face a front row crisis with Tom Burgess rubbed out for the  rest of the regular season with suspension, with Shaquai Mitchell to  replace him, while Jai Arrow is set to be named despite battling a back  injury.

Also there will be no video from me this week I am worse today.

lukeayee wrote:

A few people on this forum would like to see that.

Intentional innuendo

WT Winfield wrote:I think they nailed it with the trades this year. The main reason I quit after 2018 was the reduced squads and no additional trades, but the extras this season enticed me to come back. I might stumble at the death with only 2 left, but I can think of a few that I pissed away and probably some others I'd rather not be reminded of.

People will be more prepared next season now that we know the impact of the weekly byes and if you're planning to play 13 for the major byes, make sure you save a few before grabbing midrangers and cheapies for 1-2 scores.

I think the forced saving of 8 trades until after origin is a good thing as well

Means everyone is able to setup a final 17 and have some sort of investment in sticking around for the run home