How many points will parra lose

Ice wrote:

I think you have to see down with Paulo and say "Maaaate, massive error, and we can drag this out and your teammates will suffer and Peats will get shafted, or you can agree to cop your medicine and make a clean start with the Raiders ASAP and maintain the respect of your current crew. Take one for the team like Watmough."

Agree but the Raiders will expect some coin for this year and will it then leave enough to get under is the question

Your Name wrote:

Agree but the Raiders will expect some coin for this year and will it then leave enough to get under is the question

Not exactly, If the Raiders took him on prior to this incident, then his salary still owing might be divided between the two clubs, but if he isn't getting a salary under the threat of a terminated contract, which may have some justification, then anything the Raiders are prepared to pay this year is better for him than potentially nothing.

For the Raiders, as long as whatever they are willing to pay this year is still under the cap for them, they'd be crazy not to explore the option as they are up to their eyeballs in finals contention and no doubt the Paulo acquisition strengthens the team.

All that aside, I doubt it will happen, but as an Eels fan, I'd like them to explore it before they go casting Peats aside.

I'd guess Paulo's 2017 Canberra contract is a fair bit more than his 2016 Raider's contract, so I doubt Canberra would have too much issue to basically paying the remainder of the contract. I guess it's as much about who they might have to let go to fit him under the cap this year. They picked up Tapine mid season or right at the start of the season, so may have used up a fair bit of their spare money already.

Funny that everytime someone is released from anywhere you now wonder whether it is a result of Parra. The Broncos released a player earlier this week who was their old U20 captain but I don't think he had played 1st grade. Was it to free up some room for a mid season signing from Parra? Or for say the Raiders, who might let someone go to get Paulo?

Dip, Waqa is already leaving in about a month for rugby. He was out first big "name" signing so was on decent coin, not that it matters if Paulo was on so little. We reportedly have the cash for Paulo this year so I'm all for it. Send him our way ice, we'll sit him in the same naughty corner we put Carney, Dugan and Fergo over the years, call him rehabilitated and you guys get to keep peats. Win win

I'd be happy to throw in FPN for free (you put him on the books but we pay the remainder of his contract this year) to sweeten the deal

Dip wrote:I'd guess Paulo's 2017 Canberra contract is a fair bit more than his 2016 Raider's contract, so I doubt Canberra would have too much issue to basically paying the remainder of the contract. I guess it's as much about who they might have to let go to fit him under the cap this year. They picked up Tapine mid season or right at the start of the season, so may have used up a fair bit of their spare money already.

Funny that everytime someone is released from anywhere you now wonder whether it is a result of Parra. The Broncos released a player earlier this week who was their old U20 captain but I don't think he had played 1st grade. Was it to free up some room for a mid season signing from Parra? Or for say the Raiders, who might let someone go to get Paulo?

Raiders only need to release Barnett to make the necessary space in 2016. He'd already lined up a gig at the Titans I believe but was denied a release by the Raiders for depth reasons, but Paulo would solve that. I just can't accept that the people calling the shots at Parra think Paulo is more important thus year or long term than Peats??? Seriously, an almost origin quality hooker or a prop. It would have been like the Storm keeping Tolman over Smith.

You'd think Peats would be on a fair bit more coin than Paulo though.

Dip wrote: You'd think Peats would be on a fair bit more coin than Paulo though.

Yeah, he is, as he should be, but again, given the amount of guys we have off contract at the end of this year, I'd figure we'd be able to fit him under next years cap quite easily.

Seriously, I think we are making a massive error rushing to get under the cap ahead of this Friday n the hope we can pull of the near impossible and win 12 of our last 15 games. I don't see it Happening with peats let alone without him, so let's just take our time, keep our spine together and make some sensible decisions for 2017.

Well it's done. We've fucked this year and next all for the slim chance that we might win 12 of our remaining games and limp I to the finals. Short term vision has fucked us over once again.
Hope Peats smashes it at the Titans and makes the Blues squad.

Ice wrote:Well it's done. We've fucked this year and next all for the slim chance that we might win 12 of our remaining games and limp I to the finals. Short term vision has fucked us over once again.
Hope Peats smashes it at the Titans and makes the Blues squad.

in terms of next year, i kind of saw it as an admission that if the eels splurge a little to re-sign norman then they might not be able to re-sign peats anyway

We have soooo many players of contract and not ALL are on the minimum.
Players off contract/not retunring for next year are:
Anthony Watmough ($750K saved right there, Im confident his payout will be covered by insurance and wont be put on the cap by the NRL as they will want this to all go away as much as anyone else. ) Mitch Cornish (just above minimum), Isaac De Gois ($100-$150k) Bureta Faraimo (Just above minimum), Michael Gordon ($150k minimum), James Hasson ($100-$150K), Luke Kelly ($100-$150k), Cameron King ($100k), Kieran Moss (Minimum), Cody Nelson (Minimum), Corey Norman ($400k), Rory O’Brien (Just above Minimum), Nathan Peats,($500) Kelepi Tanginoa (Around $100k), Vai Toutai ($100) Joseph Ualesi (minimum) Danny Wicks ($150)

So don't resign De Gois, as we have Pritchard and Nelson. Don't resign Cameron King, Kieran Moss and Luke Kelly and we have Peats salary easily covered. Don't resign Gordon, Ualesi and Hasson, and with Watmoughs cash, we have enough to sign Norman.

Remember, our current squad is compliant, its that the NRL in their wisdom has pushed amount forward into 2016. I accept that the squad, and that's the entire squad, has been assembled via shit cap management prior to this year, but it doesn't mean we should have any issues staying under the cap for next year.

Again, we've ballsed the handling of this badly.

Don't worry about the points this year, we aren't gonna win the 12 without Peats so playing for points this Friday ONLY benefits Channel 9 and the NRL.

We should have simply made signing Norman and Peats for next year the priority, and from there, keep what we can.

If Kieran Moss is a minimum contract player, how does that help the Peats resigning? You save zero by cutting a minimumsalary player.

Also, it seems the only person who says the club is cap compliant this year is Steve Sharp. The guy who oversaw the Eels when it was being investigated. Not everything a liar says is a lie, but believing him is like believing a Brian Waldron statement.

That aside, the premise of what you say is right. IMO you had to keep Norman, Foran and Peats. They're the 3 positions who touch the ball the most, so you want 3 good ones there, and you have 3 good ones. Everyone else you could work around. Hell, if you cut Michael Jennings in 2017 I'm sure some club would pick him up for good money, and you don't lose out nearly as much as you would replacing Peats with Pritchard.

Ice wrote:We have soooo many players of contract and not ALL are on the minimum.
Players off contract/not retunring for next year are:
Anthony Watmough ($750K saved right there, Im confident his payout will be covered by insurance and wont be put on the cap by the NRL as they will want this to all go away as much as anyone else. ) Mitch Cornish (just above minimum), Isaac De Gois ($100-$150k) Bureta Faraimo (Just above minimum), Michael Gordon ($150k minimum), James Hasson ($100-$150K), Luke Kelly ($100-$150k), Cameron King ($100k), Kieran Moss (Minimum), Cody Nelson (Minimum), Corey Norman ($400k), Rory O’Brien (Just above Minimum), Nathan Peats,($500) Kelepi Tanginoa (Around $100k), Vai Toutai ($100) Joseph Ualesi (minimum) Danny Wicks ($150)

So don't resign De Gois, as we have Pritchard and Nelson. Don't resign Cameron King, Kieran Moss and Luke Kelly and we have Peats salary easily covered. Don't resign Gordon, Ualesi and Hasson, and with Watmoughs cash, we have enough to sign Norman.

Remember, our current squad is compliant, its that the NRL in their wisdom has pushed amount forward into 2016.  I accept that the squad, and that's the entire squad, has been assembled via shit cap management prior to this year, but it doesn't mean we should have any issues staying under the cap for next year.

Again, we've ballsed the handling of this badly.

Don't worry about the points this year, we aren't gonna win the 12 without Peats so playing for points this Friday ONLY benefits Channel 9 and the NRL.

We should have simply made signing Norman and Peats for next year the priority, and from there, keep what we can.

The problem with shedding minimum wage (or there enough) blokes, is they have to be replaced by minimum wage (or there enough) blokes.
You dont save any money by doing it.

The only way they shed cash is by dumping big money players.
Peats is there only option.

Dip wrote:If Kieran Moss is a minimum contract player, how does that help the Peats resigning? You save zero by cutting a minimumsalary player.

Also, it seems the only person who says the club is cap compliant this year is Steve Sharp. The guy who oversaw the Eels when it was being investigated. Not everything a liar says is a lie, but believing him is like believing a Brian Waldron statement.

That aside, the premise of what you say is right. IMO you had to keep Norman, Foran and Peats. They're the 3 positions who touch the ball the most, so you want 3 good ones there, and you have 3 good ones. Everyone else you could work around. Hell, if you cut Michael Jennings in 2017 I'm sure some club would pick him up for good money, and you don't lose out nearly as much as you would replacing Peats with Pritchard.

Fair point on Moss.

Re the cap compliant this year thing, Im pretty sure Shubert has come out and said as much and Greenberg acknowledged it, but I could be wrong on that. I'm not simply taking Sharps word for it though.

Regardless, Don't sign any players until you've signed Norman and Peats, then whatever we have left we have left. If it means we sign 8 other guys on the minimum then so be it.

Pieman wrote:
The problem with shedding minimum wage (or there enough) blokes, is they have to be replaced by minimum wage (or there enough) blokes.
You dont save any money by doing it.

The only way they shed cash is by dumping big money players.
Peats is there only option.

Yep, my bad on that re minimum wage guys. What im saying is, don't worry about this year, this year is GONE. We WONT make the Finals, so just prioritise.

How wonderfully convenient for the NRL owned Titans that they were the only ones able to pick up the next NSW Hooker in this sorry mess.

Yeah Parra won't make the 8 this year without Peats. Im willing to make a wager on this (or forum bet or whatever).

Ice wrote:How wonderfully convenient for the NRL owned Titans that they were the only ones able to pick up the next NSW Hooker in this sorry mess.

In fairness though, given they had the DCE contract fall through and lost Taylor & Sezer since last season, they're probably the most likely to be able to get him. Apart from the Knights, the other shit teams generally have an okay hooker.

Ice wrote:How wonderfully convenient for the NRL owned Titans that they were the only ones able to pick up the next NSW Hooker in this sorry mess.

You're drawing a long bow there, if you think the nrl give a flying toss about how "their" team goes in the recruitment department. :-)

Ice wrote:How wonderfully convenient for the NRL owned Titans that they were the only ones able to pick up the next NSW Hooker in this sorry mess.

Considering that the NRL owns the Knights at the moment too, Newcastle need a hooker more than the titans do - and newcastle/hunter is a much more important area to the NRL than the GC, I would say that ownership had nothing to do with it