2017 NRL.com Fantasy Thread Part 33

mango wrote:

Apparently Mataulino flew over for a meeting with Cleary last week, the tigers probably already knew they weren't keeping Woods, a good signing if true.

CHN is a star of the future, cant believe Penrith let him go, the Sharks pack will be an absolute beast with him in it.

While we're talking about signings, Ch7 still saying this morning that Woods has reportedly signed with the dogs, no confirmation though.

The Woods deal has been confirmed.

Shanbon wrote:I get why the sharks want CHN for next season as they'll most likely lose Gallen Heino and Lewis but makes no sense for Panthers to release now with injury concerns around their own back rowers

I still don't really get it. Lewis has said that he's going to play on but will wait til the end of the season to make a decision. Unless it's purely for depth (great for the Sharks) then I can't see CHN getting a run with other guys like Capewell etc already in their system, surely they'd be first cab off the rank.

While we are on the topic of player movements, what is everyone's thoughts on the current shemmozle that is the NRL system? Do you like it? Why, how, wtf is wrong with you? If not, how would you change it? Would you implement a draft system like most other sports or what?

Has Uate reached his peak? Im thinking of trading him to a red dot nuffie to free up cash for the Crichton trade. This leaves me with Ponga, Slats, RTS and Abbey. Plan is to transition Ponga to haynes in the next couple of weeks and ultimately upgrade one of them to a Rapana/Teddy-type gun

Mearcats wrote:While we are on the topic of player movements, what is everyone's thoughts on the current shemmozle that is the NRL system? Do you like it? Why, how, wtf is wrong with you? If not, how would you change it? Would you implement a draft system like most other sports or what?

I'd love to go to a rookie draft system but that only works if the NRL takes over all junior development (16-20yr) and runs it as a separate competition. Rookies are then given set contracts based on position taken in draft. I'd shorten the season by 4 weeks having a longer off season to then cater for player contracts. Clubs have the first 2 weeks of offseason to re-sign off contract players then after that period all clubs can try and sign players. Bring in the franchise tag like American sports, where if a club wants to keep a current rostered player they can franchise tag them and they get a 1 year deal at the avg of the top 5 players in that position. Can only franchise tag 1 player per year and can't tag same player 2 years in a row.

Mearcats wrote:While we are on the topic of player movements, what is everyone's thoughts on the current shemmozle that is the NRL system? Do you like it? Why, how, wtf is wrong with you? If not, how would you change it? Would you implement a draft system like most other sports or what?

It's a shambles mate, is there any reason why it has to be such a rubbish system? There must be I guess cause there is no way you'd set it up like this unless you have to. The Moses situation is just ridiculous! Week to week no-one even knows which club he will be playing for.

I really like the NBA trade/free agency system. I don't know the details inside out but essentially they have specific windows for certain things happening (trades, restricted and unrestricted free agency etc) which by in large keeps all the shit to a minimum. There are measures in place which can give the teams who currently have players signed up the rights to negotiate with them first (restricted free agency) when their contracts are due to expire before anyone else is allowed to touch them (unrestricted free agency), but most importantly the free agency time period for signing new players is after the season ends.

Im not sure a draft system is required in the NRL. I don't think there is a clear enough distinction between lower grades of league and the NRL both interns of separation between how is developing the players and week by week what level players are playing in. Not like in the US where players go from High School / College to the pros. There is a really clear distinction and therefore the draft system is a really good idea. And of course it gives the shitty teams a boost each year with prioritised draft picks etc.

hymenbustas wrote:Has Uate reached his peak? Im thinking of trading him to a red dot nuffie to free up cash for the Crichton trade. This leaves me with Ponga, Slats, RTS and Abbey. Plan is to transition Ponga to haynes in the next couple of weeks and ultimately upgrade one of them to a Rapana/Teddy-type gun

With a BE of 27 and an average of 35 he hasn't quite yet peaked mate. His 25 last round was his lowest score and has slowed his price rises a little but he has shown that he can score 40+ a couple of times this season. If he does that this week he'll bump himself up close to another 10k and give him another week or two.

I like the idea of Crichton and he is still a viable trade in option but creating a red dot in an already smaller position to get him in is risky. Jo one in your second row to make way for him?

Mearcats wrote:While we are on the topic of player movements, what is everyone's thoughts on the current shemmozle that is the NRL system? Do you like it? Why, how, wtf is wrong with you? If not, how would you change it? Would you implement a draft system like most other sports or what?

The current system is shit, they need cut off dates for contracts, to be done behind closed doors or get hit with hefty fines and or suspensions and severe penalties for not sticking to a contract.

Finally the NRL needs to do something about these grubby lowlife player managers that are using the players as pawns for their own personal gain. I googled NRL player managers and there were some shady looking characters there. Some of them have very bad reps, the clubs know this, the NRL just needs to weed them out.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

It's a shambles mate, is there any reason why it has to be such a rubbish system? There must be I guess cause there is no way you'd set it up like this unless you have to. The Moses situation is just ridiculous! Week to week no-one even knows which club he will be playing for.

I really like the NBA trade/free agency system. I don't know the details inside out but essentially they have specific windows for certain things happening (trades, restricted and unrestricted free agency etc) which by in large keeps all the shit to a minimum. There are measures in place which can give the teams who currently have players signed up the rights to negotiate with them first (restricted free agency) when their contracts are due to expire before anyone else is allowed to touch them (unrestricted free agency), but most importantly the free agency time period for signing new players is after the season ends.

Im not sure a draft system is required in the NRL. I don't think there is a clear enough distinction between lower grades of league and the NRL both interns of separation between how is developing the players and week by week what level players are playing in. Not like in the US where players go from High School / College to the pros. There is a really clear distinction and therefore the draft system is a really good idea. And of course it gives the shitty teams a boost each year with prioritised draft picks etc.

I couldn't agree more RT! The mid season transfer window is a blight on the game for sure. I don't think we can go to a draft system due to the points that you raised but I think maybe a complete revamp utilising multiple different ideas from other codes across the globe and altered to suit our circumstances would be viable.

Mid season can stay but purely for picking up free agency players to bolster your squad when required (due to injuries etc). I don't think we can be as cut and dry as off season recruitment only but I really don't like seeing players sign at the beginning of a season for a different club than they are playing for that season or signing during the season for the following year.

Greater minds than mine would need to be tasked with working this out but I feel it's becoming a priority for our game cos as things currently stand, it's a laugh.

Mearcats wrote:
I like the idea of Crichton and he is still a viable trade in option but creating a red dot in an already smaller position to get him in is risky. Jo one in your second row to make way for him?

I wish i could mate. I have CHN, Sam Stone and Leary who i traded in last week hoping he'd play 80 mins as hooker but that failed so looking to burn a trade and trade him out for Crichy. CHN with a neg BE will definitely make me money just by stepping on the field and scratching his nuts. Stone is named starting so willing to give him a go. My other starting forwards are: Whitehead, JDB, and Surgess. But to do the Crichton trade i need extra dosh. My other NPR are: Matagi, Elgy, Hampton, Talakai, Kelly, and Abbey. If trading Uate in for a red dot is a bad idea, who do you suggest i should with my other NPR's?

Sironen to Crichton too sideways? Could make an extra 50k in the short term. Just not sure if it's worth it :S

lukeaye wrote:Sironen to Crichton too sideways? Could make an extra 50k in the short term. Just not sure if it's worth it :S

I definitely think its time for Sironen to someone anyway! If you are willing to take the risk on Crichton's job security then he seems like the best value option, but certainly look at Whitehead if you don't already have him.

Otherwise if you have the cash then perhaps its a good time to bring in another Gun.

mango wrote:

The current system is shit, they need cut off dates for contracts, to be done behind closed doors or get hit with hefty fines and or suspensions and severe penalties for not sticking to a contract.

Finally the NRL needs to do something about these grubby lowlife player managers that are using the players as pawns for their own personal gain. I googled NRL player managers and there were some shady looking characters there. Some of them have very bad reps, the clubs know this, the NRL just needs to weed them out.

Back flips are definitely a dog act of a thing! For as long as we don't place any value on "contracts" which are meant to be a legally binding agreement, that shit will continue. I feel the NRL has bought this on themselves with the leniency of the cooling off period. As far as I'm concerned, once you've put pen to paper you're going, the only way that doesn't happen is if something drastic happens. I. E. A coach sacking etc. This needs to be strictly policed and governed. You can't just change your bloody mind.

As for player managers, I feel they're somewhat of a necessary evil. Seems gone are they days when you're dad or uncle or whatnot would represent you. Nowadays some fucker looking to make a quick buck rock up to an under 14s game and sees something he likes, says to the family that he has connections and can get said kid a shot at the big time. The current tigers situation is pretty gross but to a degree, they're to blame for that result themselves as well. I've no doubt that the manager in question there said to his players to try for that time due to a new telly rights deal and salary cap adjustment. They would've been thinking that the cap could be raised a fair bit. Unfortunately, in the end, the Tigers still put pen to paper on that deal.

Mearcats wrote:

I couldn't agree more RT! The mid season transfer window is a blight on the game for sure. I don't think we can go to a draft system due to the points that you raised but I think maybe a complete revamp utilising multiple different ideas from other codes across the globe and altered to suit our circumstances would be viable.

Mid season can stay but purely for picking up free agency players to bolster your squad when required (due to injuries etc). I don't think we can be as cut and dry as off season recruitment only but I really don't like seeing players sign at the beginning of a season for a different club than they are playing for that season or signing during the season for the following year.

Greater minds than mine would need to be tasked with working this out but I feel it's becoming a priority for our game cos as things currently stand, it's a laugh.

Good stuff. Yeah I don't know the NRL well enough, but I do love my sports and what Im seeing there is a joke compared to how other established sports leagues organise things. Like I said, surely there must be good reasons as to why they have the system the way they do? if not its an even bigger joke Regardless, like you say, it needs to be a priority for change. You can't have players signing for other teams a season out form the change occurring, and you certainly can't have players also wanting to make the switch straight away and the back-and-forth about whether they can/will or not. Thats just dumb.

By the way, a loan situation could be interesting too (like what they do in football). Could be cool for someone like CHN to get game time at another club if he can't crack his own team, but still give the club ownership and therefore the rights to have him back later. In the meantime he gets developed as a player and the other team benefits in the short term.

@Milchcow need your expertise. With the 8pt in his 5 average how much would Niko rise in next 3-4 games if averaged 35pts? Trying to figure out if worth a trade to R12 then upgrade

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

I definitely think its time for Sironen to someone anyway! If you are willing to take the risk on Crichton's job security then he seems like the best value option, but certainly look at Whitehead if you don't already have him.

Otherwise if you have the cash then perhaps its a good time to bring in another Gun.

Why is it time for him though? When he plays 80 he scores well. Is he going to stop playing 80? I feel like sironen to crichton is a like for like trade assuming they both play 80 mins.

Already have whitehead, JDB, Hess and Surgess. So bit stacked I think Hess may turn out to be a keeper at this rate.

Going ET/Bateman > Gallen/Jensen

Smith, Pritchard
Vaughan, McGuire (Jensen, papa)
Burgess, Gallen, Crichton, Hess, Faufusi (CHN)
Johnson, Walker, Frawley, (Hingano)
SMat, Kelly (Idris, Jennings)
Turbo, RTS, Slater (Python, Fogarty)

Rank 1120. 50k in the bank. Bad luck has killed me last two weeks. Bring on 1,000 this week.

I'm off fishing to Kauri Creek for the weekend, so no chance to check final team lists. Good luck kents. Up the bunnies!

lukeaye wrote:

Why is it time for him though? When he plays 80 he scores well. Is he going to stop playing 80? I feel like sironen to crichton is a like for like trade assuming they both play 80 mins.

Already have whitehead, JDB, Hess and Surgess. So bit stacked I think Hess may turn out to be a keeper at this rate.

@lukeaye Sironen's PPM is ~0.5 Crichton's is ~0.75 Theres your difference right there. If they both play 80, Crichton scores 50% more than Sironen, as it stands anyway.

Just my opinion (very much a novice one at that) but I reckon Siro's price has peaked and I think you can get more much better value for his money out of Whitehead in particular. That being said you already have Whitehead and while Crichton may well turn out to be good value he is a risk in terms of JS.

So perhaps he's a hold if you can't find anyone that presents value until you have the cash to upgrade him. But surely you don't consider him a keeper long term? in which case your best bet is to trade him out when the timing is right in terms of his price. IMO that's probably this week.

Do you have the cash to bring in another Gun?

Im not convinced on Hess by the way. I don't think he will maintain his average and therefore ultimately better options out there. Could go big this week though...

Chrichton and Hess are gold. You watch.

lukeaye wrote:Sironen to Crichton too sideways? Could make an extra 50k in the short term. Just not sure if it's worth it :S

Go for it.

Rabbit wrote:Chrichton and Hess are gold. You watch.

Do you expect Hess to up his average from here on out?