2017 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 40

my tv broke wrote:

This is something I've wondered about. I'm not sure whether they're contracted to provided "final" stats within X hours, but it wouldn't seem terribly necessary (especially if it reduces the quality of output).

Assuming the stats guys are based in AU it seems silly to do a live call and then full, final review immediately after the game has finished, taking them through to sometimes 11, 12 or 1am.

Regardless of issues with TA's, TB's, etc, I would be interested to know how its all done and what their contractual obligations are.

bluetige wrote:Feeling in a crap mood today. On top of all the things happening at the Tigers my Fantasy team went to shit over the weekend and with Normans injury my bye planning is now in turmoil. Will probably bring in Cody Walker or Adam Reynolds for him. If I go Arey, he will end up playing Origin somehow, so I'm favouring Walker and he is a little bit better value too.

So many of us have a gripe with the stats guys and I can see why, whether its a missed TB or an un-rewarded TA they cop a hammering and deservedly so. However it is a hard job taking stats, especially live stats so I understand how they get some things wrong. I've tried taking stats myself and appreciate how difficult is is to get it right the first time.

Prozone (its not Fanhub as some people complain about), you useless fucks, how about taking the time to review each game correctly. You always seem in a hurry to get stats out within a few hours, why? Most people will be in bed anyway, whats the fucking hurry. I don't care if it takes another 12 hours, just get it right on the review. I have no doubts about the fuck-ups you make, some of these are judgemental like awarding TB's or TA's but certain things are easier to calculate like run and kick metres gained. Example: Billy Slater had 2 kicks the other night, the first one around the 9 and half minutes which was a grubber that travelled 17m and the second kick was seconds before half time which travelled for 18m which you awarded in your live stats. Added together thats 36m but 18m was noted and was missed in the review. This is only 1 example, there have been many more, all I  want to see is you get it right.

Prozone read these forums last year, lets hope they do this year too.

bluetige wrote:@WL

Friend certainly was gunning it during the first 8 or so rounds last year without Pearce and Cordner, and come the Origin period with Cordner out and Pearce injured he had a 53, 51 and 54 (80, 64, 64 min) and as soon as Pearce come back he got a 44 and 45 in 80 min both games. In 2015 when Pearce played Origin he ave 50 in 71 minutes for the 6 rounds around Origin, his season ave was 52



I've been thinking of trading out Cam Smith for Friend over Origin hence the research.

Smith during the same period 
2016 ave 64 in 78 min, season ave 67
2015 ave 58 in 79 min, season ave 61
2014 ave 50 in 71 min, season ave 52

I am leaning towards holding Smith now and saving 2 trades

bluetige wrote:@WL

Friend certainly was gunning it during the first 8 or so rounds last year without Pearce and Cordner, and come the Origin period with Cordner out and Pearce injured he had a 53, 51 and 54 (80, 64, 64 min) and as soon as Pearce come back he got a 44 and 45 in 80 min both games. In 2015 when Pearce played Origin he ave 50 in 71 minutes for the 6 rounds around Origin, his season ave was 52



I've been thinking of trading out Cam Smith for Friend over Origin hence the research.

Smith during the same period 
2016 ave 64 in 78 min, season ave 67
2015 ave 58 in 79 min, season ave 61
2014 ave 50 in 71 min, season ave 52

I am leaning towards holding Smith now and saving 2 trades

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Last I read they were doing it out of Palmerston North NZ. But Im not sure if things changed when Stats acquired Prozone 2 years ago!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/72017064/palmerston-norths-prozone-headquarters-providing-statistics-for-the-nrl

The dude in the photo is still listed as working in PN for Stats so connecting the dots you'd say they are still doing it from there!

Milchcow wrote:

The key point here is that between  12 and 19 Smith plays 4 times in 8 weeks (and 2 of the 4 he plays are backing up after origin)
Friend plays 6 times in 8 weeks.

So you are trading quantity in over quality.
Friend also pairs well with McInnes such that you always have a premium hooker available.

my tv broke wrote:Interesting article, perhaps the buy out has affected the quality of stats (staff?)

bluetige wrote:
Your right, thats why I was initially going to do the trade but its 2 trades and after previous years I know how valuable trades are at the back end of the season, hence I may hold Smith. Also other trades are looking more important, ie, Norman

Fortitude wrote:

I don't want to be all SJW here, but he has every right to not play on sundays if its religious conviction. (The reason we have a Monday to Friday working week actually goes hand in hand with this)

Employers of any type of job are required to make reasonable adjustment for religion, disability, gender all those sorts of things. Working a 9-5 job doesn't change your right to make these sort of demands.

The issue is you cant pick and choose when it suits you and when it doesn't. If you do start to pick and chose you run the risk of looking like a fucking hypocritical douchebag.

Bulldogs should make a stand, cut his salary by a certain percentage and not allow him to play sundays, in line with his previous demands. That way, they are being "PC" and tolerant of religious difference, and in the process likely discourage others from trying to pull the religion card.

filthridden wrote:

never understood why SJW was an insult.
Bulldogs had every right to not sign him a contract if he didn't want to play Sundays but they did sign him up.
Is the Sunday thing in his contract? Good for him. If not, the Bulldogs have been doing him a favour.
Is he going to play Sundays now because the Bulldogs have requested that in a new contract? Maybe.

I don't agree with his religion but I honestly don't have a problem with any of this.

If I was a Bulldogs fan, I might be asking the question do we really think he's good enough to take up that cap space if he's not committed to 100% of games?

However I am a Warriors fan and I know our players are committed to playing around 40mins each game.

bluetige wrote:

From the article it appears they make an effort to get things right in an allotted time frame. It makes me wonder if Fantasy get the final stats or not, "Kane said a review of each match can take between 6 and 20 man hours to complete and there are multiple analysts working on them at any one time". 

Fortitude wrote:

My point being he has every right to request something. But no right to change his stance. His religion hasn't changed, so why should his stance. You either believe in something or you don't.

Try being a raiders fan. Either they are shit hot, or shit.

White Lightning wrote:

That's right. I remember 2-3 years ago I went Smith to Macca in round 12 & by round 20 I ran out of trades as per usual. I was just lucky that on the home stretch Macca was matching Smith's scores.

Fortitude wrote:

My point being he has every right to request something. But no right to change his stance. His religion hasn't changed, so why should his stance. You either believe in something or you don't.

Try being a raiders fan. Either they are shit hot, or shit.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Or if things have changed in the last couple years - could be that they just aren't spending that amount of time on it anymore. One could imagine a situation where their bosses tell them they have to get it right the first time and cut back on the review hours. I mean at the end of the day who holds these guys accountable? Do Fansub really care if a few stats are missed here and there? or if they get a few things wrong? As long as they are the cheapest provider and do an 'adequate job' all is well...right?