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    Post by AL Fri May 19, 2017 1:45 pm

    wolfking wrote:

    Yeah, I read that too, but did Cody and his manager just take them on their word?  Bit silly if they did.  I would assume that could have put some sort of clause in the contract in regards to this.

    I thought only front rowers would be silly enough to knock back $600k/year and sign a 3 year contract for $160k with a verbal 'she'll be right, we will fix you up later mate'. Why not just sign for 12 months, or take the $600k? The reports seem too outrageous to believe, surely there is more to it or the figures being thrown around are a bit off.

    Anyway, hope it doesn't affect his form - or he gets the Ross dog treatment, Souths play last and he is a starting half for me so would get an AE in the event he doesn't play. Almost tempted to play Guth instead to take the AE out of the occasion. I doubt Madge takes to kindly to being threatened.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Fri May 19, 2017 1:53 pm

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    I posted it works on PC in a previous thread. I did it last year by dragging and dropping. Why does no one believe me?

    Hey mate, I think people just wanted confirmation it worked this year. I did it last year too, but this year they have changed things. As far as I know, no-one had done it this year yet, not confirmed anyway.
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    Post by wolfking Fri May 19, 2017 1:55 pm

    AL wrote:

    I thought only front rowers would be silly enough to knock back $600k/year and sign a 3 year contract for $160k with a verbal 'she'll be right, we will fix you up later mate'. Why not just sign for 12 months, or take the $600k? The reports seem too outrageous to believe, surely there is more to it or the figures being thrown around are a bit off.

    Anyway, hope it doesn't affect his form - or he gets the Ross dog treatment, Souths play last and he is a starting half for me so would get an AE in the event he doesn't play. Almost tempted to play Guth instead to take the AE out of the occasion.  I doubt Madge takes to kindly to being threatened.

    It's a tricky situation that no one else how will pan out. It's made me hold off on trading him in this week though. I don't know why he just didn't get a year extension like you said and then he'd have so many offers being thrown at him right now it's not funny.

    I'm not sure Madge would bump him back to reserves, he knows what's he's got with Cody and what he brings to the team, but on the other hand, look what Madge has been like this year.
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    Post by Milchcow Fri May 19, 2017 1:55 pm

    Loomer wrote:

    I posted it works on PC in a previous thread. I did it last year by dragging and dropping. Why does no one believe me?

    This thread moves so quickly sometimes that its easy to get overlooked.

    I can guarantee that the loophole question will still be raised pretty much every day in the lead up to round 12
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    Post by Spectre Fri May 19, 2017 1:56 pm

    Warriors wrote:

    I would probably lock in Graham, keeper with good byes. Done.

    Next, you would watch Brown and ask yourself will he score the same or better than Gallen for 60K less across rounds 12, 13, 14 and 15 than Gallen would in one less game.
    If I had to choose two for the byes it would be Graham and Brown. You can always upgrade a Whitehead to Gallen after round 13 if you need him for round 15 and the run home.

    This sounds very sensible as well. Cheers
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    Post by Mulvy Fri May 19, 2017 1:58 pm

    SI wrote:

    This.  I'm just gonna come out and say it, I love you guys and girls Love  .

    But not in the way Stew loves both guys and girls during the bi rounds...

    Yeah I noticed that too, hence my curious remark which no one seemed to pick up on Very Happy
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    Post by Spectre Fri May 19, 2017 2:00 pm

    Vanish wrote:

    Ok, so I've done some rough maths estimates as to the what each of those five players can be expected to score you over the bye rounds. To do this I made the following assumptions:

    Each player will score their current 5 round average each week. Those averages, rounded up, are:
    Fifita: 64          McGuire: 52                Gallen: 61                Brown: 55                Graham: 60
    (For Graham I've recalculated his 5 round average to disregard his concussion affected 9)

    For each major bye round, you will have less than 17 playing players. This means that there is no opportunity cost for fielding a player during those rounds.

    For each minor bye round (for the sake of simplicity, including 19), you will have more than 17 players. Therefore, playing one of these players comes at the opportunity cost of holding another player on the bench as an NPR. For simplicity's sake, I'll assume that player would have scored 25 points, and therefore the net points a player will score you that week is equal to (5weekaverage - 25). I've used the same number for the non-bye rounds.

    I've then added all the points each of the five players can be expected to score you over Round 12-19 by adding their net-points together.

    Fifita = 0+0+39+0+39+39+0+39
           = 156 points

    McGuire = 0+27+27+0+27+27+0+27
               = 162 points

    Gallen = 61+0+36+61+36+36+0+36
             = 266 points

    Brown = 55+30+30+55+25+30+55+0
             = 280 points

    Graham = 60+35+35+0+35+35+60+0
               = 260 points

    Conclusions: Players with favourable byes significantly outscore those playing Origin. Brown should be the highest total point scorer out of those, however only marginally ahead of Gallen and Graham. Sell McGuire before Fifita, as Fifita should match McGuire over the bye period and keeping him saves a trade getting him back in later.

    Obviously I've made some simplistic assumptions here, and your team set up may be different and thus you'll get different results. I've also overlooked the effect of backing up from Origin, with players possibly playing less minutes or getting rested. I cannot account for random variables such as player injuries or suspensions.

    Looking at this, I actually think it's better to get Gallen over Brown, unless you value Brown as a season keeper. Although I'd probably offload both Fifita and McGuire and pick up all three.

    EDIT: Actually did this wrong. Was giving players 25 points in their non-major bye rounds but this was wrong. Have now given them a zero for those rounds. Conclusions basically the same though.

    You get my vote for this years MVP
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    Post by Mulvy Fri May 19, 2017 2:01 pm

    Loomer wrote:

    I posted it works on PC in a previous thread. I did it last year by dragging and dropping. Why does no one believe me?

    Maybe because the way I remember it last year I could drag and drop Smith. That doesn't seem to be working for me on PC, but interestingly I CAN drag and drop Cook to achieve the same result.
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    Post by standard-issue Fri May 19, 2017 2:03 pm

    Loomer wrote:
    Frol wrote:ATTENTION - CAPTAIN LOOPHOLE STILL SEEMS TO BE POSSIBLE!!

    So, with the VC on Lolo last night I was interested to see if the old captain switcheroo is still possible with current captain CS9.

    I know there's no 'S' to substitute, but here's the trick;

    On PC when you scroll over a player's card on the field display, the arrow changes to a 4 way arrow, if you click and drag on your current captain and place the card on top the player you want to switch with - it works! After the switch it changed the league match up. Now, whether that sticks till the end I'm not sure.

    To be clear, this was for interest only, and my captain will remain CS9 this week but I'd be interested to know if it sticks after final scores are recorded, as it may be very handy come bye rounds if it works.

    Anyone willing to give it a go to see if it works?

    I posted it works on PC in a previous thread. I did it last year by dragging and dropping. Why does no one believe me?

    It wasn't about believing you mate, it was that you had seen a screenshot of it apparently working from someone on FB.  Nothing to do with you.  

    It was also strange that he or she did it in a non bye round where they would have got an AE under the way it worked last year with more than 17 players.  The amount of trolls on FB, and FB Fantasy pages and all.  Also, there is no R or S button to move the Captain out this year (I tried it last week) and that has changed from last year I believe.  I don't ever remember having to do it like Frol described above.


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    Post by Loomer Fri May 19, 2017 2:04 pm

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    Hey mate, I think people just wanted confirmation it worked this year. I did it last year too, but this year they have changed things. As far as I know, no-one had done it this year yet, not confirmed anyway.

    I was asked if I'd seen recent screenshot evidence and the answer was yes on Surgess VC

    The why does no one believe me should've been posted with irony font
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    Post by Vanish Fri May 19, 2017 2:05 pm

    White Lightning wrote:@ Vanish. Thanks mate. That's a great post.

    I actually just had to fix it up because I got it pretty wrong. I was never that good at Math .

    Conclusions basically the same though. Hope it's right now.
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    Post by standard-issue Fri May 19, 2017 2:07 pm

    Loomer wrote:
    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    Hey mate, I think people just wanted confirmation it worked this year. I did it last year too, but this year they have changed things. As far as I know, no-one had done it this year yet, not confirmed anyway.

    I was asked if I'd seen recent screenshot evidence and the answer was yes on Surgess VC

    Yes, but just the week before we had people with their VC and C scores doubled through the entire round. So there was a chance it was a troll post bsed on that FanHub stuff up. From memory the post you saw DIDN'T show the rest of his team and you were going to try and see if you could get a full team shot from him? So there was doubt in you mind as well, and understandably so.
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    Post by Vanish Fri May 19, 2017 2:14 pm

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    You get my vote for this years MVP

    Thanks. Although I should quickly mention that I have had to edit it one last time. Brown was still being awarded 25 more points then he should have been. He'd be 255 net-points over the Origin period.

    Pretty sure I have it right now.
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    Post by Loomer Fri May 19, 2017 2:15 pm

    SI wrote:

    Yes, but just the week before we had people with their VC and C scores doubled through the entire round.  So there was a chance it was a troll post bsed on that FanHub stuff up.  From memory the post you saw DIDN'T show the rest of his team and you were going to try and see if you could get a full team shot from him?  So there was doubt in you mind as well, and understandably so.

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    Post by wolfking Fri May 19, 2017 2:15 pm

    I was going to go Idris - Fui, but I'm thinking to maximise money and see what happens with Kaufusi, setting it up so I only use 1 trade (Turbo-Croker) and then if Kaufusi is on the bench still come Sunday, pull the trigger on Kaufusi - Fui. Then if Kaufusi starts I miss out on Fui so it's definitely a gamble.
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    Post by Fortitude Fri May 19, 2017 2:18 pm

    Its not event the weekend and im already looking to TLT so I can pull the trigger on my Bye trades. Want to start upgrading NOW!
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    Post by standard-issue Fri May 19, 2017 2:19 pm

    Loomer wrote:
    SI wrote:

    Yes, but just the week before we had people with their VC and C scores doubled through the entire round.  So there was a chance it was a troll post bsed on that FanHub stuff up.  From memory the post you saw DIDN'T show the rest of his team and you were going to try and see if you could get a full team shot from him?  So there was doubt in you mind as well, and understandably so.

    This is true. You should be a barista Razz

    I know the kind of seedy darkworld Fantasy FB pages you (and I) hang out on Lol There is always that one new Twelvie fishing for likes, but ends up with hates...
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    Post by Guest Fri May 19, 2017 2:21 pm

    Something to consider if you were to say trade a Fifita out for a Brown.
    Fifita has a low BE after his large score so may increase in value after you sell him.
    Brown has an above average BE but could drop in value.
    (Not important Browns price drop if you keep however)

    Though if you plan to bring Fifita back later, you may need to find an extra 100k due to the price swings.
    Just be careful as their are many stories of not being able to get them back as their price skyrockets.

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    Post by standard-issue Fri May 19, 2017 2:22 pm

    Fortitude wrote:Its not event the weekend and im already looking to TLT so I can pull the trigger on my Bye trades.  Want to start upgrading NOW!

    Haha, yeah, just spent the last half hour visualising next week's 3 trades as well.
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    Post by my tv broke Fri May 19, 2017 2:24 pm

    wolfking wrote:I was going to go Idris - Fui, but I'm thinking to maximise money and see what happens with Kaufusi, setting it up so I only use 1 trade (Turbo-Croker) and then if Kaufusi is on the bench still come Sunday, pull the trigger on Kaufusi - Fui.  Then if Kaufusi starts I miss out on Fui so it's definitely a gamble.

    I decided that trading out Kaufusi, while a popular option for many this week, was stupid in my situation where I already have Norman, Trbo, and Idris on the pine (and no intention of holding either of the first two until they return). Silly to trade out a scoring player, who yes, may have a poor round this week (I will leave him as an NPR), but may get the starting spot back the week after (well, rnd 13). There is one thing for sure, and that is Norman and Trbo won't be playing rnd 13.

    I believe I can take the hit on potential money loss this week for Kaufusi just to see how things play out.

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