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    Post by my tv broke Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:36 pm

    Which two would you trade out, from Havili, Douehy & Isaako. Trade ins would be Tedesco, and Gosie.

    Havili - ~probably still a 55 min player. Expecting 25 to 35. Hard to tell which end of the scale though, and it makes all the difference.

    Isaako - Not seeing much action in a fairly busted Bronx side.. but has shown decent potential in early rounds.. ideally, he needs a couple of decent scores to boost his value before cashing him in.

    Douehy - Not worth holding if he doesn't get into the starting 13 asap, but it feels like that may happen again quickly..
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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:37 pm

    Doughy and Isaako would be gone if it were me MTB
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    Post by StormTrooper96 Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:38 pm

    Ryley Jacks with a BE of 23. Last year stats only overaged a 28 but in his only game this year he stood out head and shoulders above Brodie Croft with a nice little 35. Any worth? are we too worried about security
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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:38 pm

    Before any trade happens though Rev, need to see that timeframe.
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    Post by Revraiser Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:41 pm

    Yeah for sure. A 1 week or a 3/4 week scenario, all totally different outlook.
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:43 pm

    Cap'n Ranta wrote:

    I look for consistency and potential. Want to know that my guys have a good base (fantasy wise), look involved/active/dangerous (more important for backs) and have a high ceiling (chance for big scores) or with no ceiling a promise towards high level consistency at keeper scores (i.e. general base stats (incl. -ves) support a min score of 45-50). Obviously the benchmarks change depending on the position and type of player but thats where I go.

    As examples early in this season I see Arrow, Murray and JFH as guys I'm examining in this cut price potential keeper mould.

    For me Arrow is shaping to be a keeper based on the following:

    60 ish minutes per game
    35 tackles / game
    150m / game

    Puts him at an easy 50 pts a game base which is a keeper to me in the FRF spot (probably not as a 2RF though)

    The upside and what cements him as a keeper is his hard running which is good for TBs and his offload capability (Almost 2 each / game discrediting the TBs he got when scoring) . Not banking on tries but theres always a chance.

    Will miss a few tackles (2/game) and maybe concede some penalties(1/game) but thats part of the game.

    See him in a bad game at 40ish and his big games are Fifita esque. Good FRF Keeper and a borderline 2RF keeper.

    JFH

    65 mins a game at lock (Griffin makes me question this)
    40 tackles / game
    80m / game

    Puts him at 48 pts base.

    Really high tackle count in 2 previous games (50,41) compared to his first 3 (32, 26, 34) with an avg of 65 mins vs 52 mins.
    Loves a missed tackle (3,7,2,3,3) - No Maloney but still not ideal
    Doesn't give away penalties (0.4/game)
    Not as strong a runner (1 OL and 1TB / game)
    Don't see the attacking stats improving a lot (upside is limited)

    So I see JFH as more of a 42-45 point player mainly due to the missed tackles and feel he's had some bigger games (i.e high tackle counts) that I don't think he'll keep up for a season. Add that Griffin is his coach and his rotation/s will never be as secure as you'd like as well as being a less attacking player (lower ceiling) in a higher scoring 2RF position I just see him being a 2nd tier option.

    See him in a bad game at 25ish (see rd 2) and his big games are max 55 unless he bags a lucky try. He's not in the FRF where he'd be a "maybe but probably not" borderline Keeper and a mid tier 2RF guy.

    He's making good cash though. 45 would put him at ~ 661k so hes a good cow and short term may belt out closer to 50 ~735k. If he proves me wrong over a few more weeks (while we ride his price rises) and I see some good consistency towards higher base stats (45 tackles + 100m) he'd be worth a closer look as someone I'd want in my 2RF at years end. Just don't see him there now but will pick him up

    Murray

    60 mins a game at lock
    40 tackles / game
    100m / game

    50 points base

    Less missed tackles (under 2/game) with strong TB (2+/game) potential. Always super involved.

    See him more as a guy with a floor around 45-50 points a game with the chance to bust out 70s in the right gamescript. Maybe not a top tier keeper but close enough in the 2RF and was available for 500k to consider as a cheap keeper (Solid floor with moderate upside for a big game).

    Sorry for the length but loved the topic idea Embarassed

    Good post. Posts like this are the strength of this forum. Now, having said that, hopefully Arrow and JFH get a little niggle....nothing serious....but enough for them to either not play or score shit. I’m not trading again this week. Very Happy
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:47 pm

    SI wrote:

    Faaark! Fat fucking spud.

    There’s that shapist attitude again!
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:49 pm

    SI wrote:

    Oh!!! Haha.

    I would never tell Rabbit that I captained Arrow last week, even though he lolled at me for suggesting Murray wasn't the best option on Thursday.

    I feel like I'm going to immediately regret posting this. Don't hurt me Rabs!

    You know I love you Unit. lol!
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pm

    Fuck off baldy.
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:53 pm

    Butters. Try one of these ya moron..... lol!

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    Post by NRL Fantasy Butters Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:53 pm

    StormTrooper96 wrote:Ryley Jacks with a BE of 23. Last year stats only overaged a 28 but in his only game this year he stood out head and shoulders above Brodie Croft with a nice little 35. Any worth? are we too worried about security

    I wouldn't jump On Jacks Straight Away. Raw deal for Brodie - He hasn't actually been allowed to do his job the last 5 weeks. If Smith plays the same this week as the last 5 weeks nothing much will be different. To date Ryleys been handcuffed EVEY time he's played for Storm as well.
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:56 pm

    Even though I've lost both N. Brown & C. Murray to injury I'm not even pissed off because the mighty Liverpool knocked out Man City this morning in the Champions league. If I decide to keep both Brown & Murray I'll probably bring in Gosiewski to bolster my 17.
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:59 pm

    doueihi to goisk is one trade ill be doing, still weighing up if its worth going lodge to JFH. Only way for me to jump on the JFH train or just hold the trade
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    Post by StormTrooper96 Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:04 pm

    This is absolutely doing my head in. Cannot decide who to trade in and who to trade out Bang sitting here going around in circles with my trades. This is really getting me peed off!!!
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    Post by Fortitude Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:06 pm

    StormTrooper96 wrote:This is absolutely doing my head in. Cannot decide who to trade in and who to trade out Bang sitting here going around in circles with my trades. This is really getting me peed off!!!

    The worst is that there isn't any cheapies that are obvious.
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    Post by standard-issue Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:13 pm

    Rabbit wrote:Fuck off baldy.

    Did Butters come on and try to lure unsuspecting newbies into his Lounge again? Assuming a post was deleted?
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    Post by bootleg Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:14 pm

    Been on holidays the last 2 weekends so haven't looked at my team or catched a game, need less to say it was up and town for those weeks.

    Anyways my trades this week are Whitehead and cartwright to Fifita and Ellis
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    Post by StormTrooper96 Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:24 pm

    Having a WAGS team is cool, lets me make decisions I wouldn't make in my own team.

    WAGS team this week

    Cook
    Lodge JBROM
    JFH Jurbo Arrow
    CWalker Gutho
    CScott Mitchell
    Teddy Ponga Thompson

    Hiku RFM Gossie Kennar

    Havili Croker Murray Katoa
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    Post by pm888 Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:35 pm

    bootleg wrote:Been on holidays the last 2 weekends so haven't looked at my team or catched a game, need less to say it was up and town for those weeks.

    Anyways my trades this week are Whitehead and cartwright to Fifita and Ellis
    ellis could be a decent shout. kikau went off around the 65 mark and only came back on because of injuries (missed 2 or 3 tackles in a row). theres a possibility that ellis will come on for JFH and then stay on as kikau takes a rest
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    Post by Cap'n Ranta Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:35 pm

    my tv broke wrote:Which two would you trade out, from Havili, Douehy & Isaako. Trade ins would be Tedesco, and Gosie.

    Havili - ~probably still a 55 min player. Expecting 25 to 35. Hard to tell which end of the scale though, and it makes all the difference.

    Isaako - Not seeing much action in a fairly busted Bronx side.. but has shown decent potential in early rounds.. ideally, he needs a couple of decent scores to boost his value before cashing him in.

    Douehy - Not worth holding if he doesn't get into the starting 13 asap, but it feels like that may happen again quickly..

    Great analysis. Probably depends a bit on what the final team looks like but will assume these guys are all in your EMG and you have cover for CTR/WFB without relying on Isaako.

    Doueihi is a trade out. This is the last week where he won't lose a heap of cash with a 10 minute game. That 14th man for souths is injury cover only and you'd be making a huge gut call if you think he'll be back in the 13 or noone gets injured (HIA etc.) and he plays 0 minutes.

    Havili isn't a 55 minute player. Disregard last week as its unlikely that they wont have a bench by the 40 minute mark again. He will be on for the first 30 where then Hingano will sub him off. He "may" come back on with 10 minutes to go but anything more than 40 minutes is a massive leap of faith.

    Agree 100% on what you've said about Isaako. Decent potential and goalkicking should keep away any bum (<15-20) scores. Will eventually have a big game to run up some cash and is great cover for that damned CTR position. Auto trade for me unless you see something special here.

    To me its a gut call between Havili and Isaako.

    Havili has a low BE (10) but asking anymore than 50k more from him in the ~35 mins I see Ricky giving him is a big stretch. Not worth playing in your 17. Much better HOK and bench options available.
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    Isaako has an average BE(22) and won't make any cash for now. Offers great injury cover/depth for CTR/WFB in a pinch and could have a lot more in him with a few big games.

    I'd keep Isaako in my EMG for depth purposes and I think he's got the most potential cash (~125k) of the lot. But you may have a different call on the above players.

    Also love your work on the stats site. Hope you are getting a steady supply of beer and just wanted to say thanks for the great work. This season would have been a far darker place without your work.

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