2018 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 28

Krump wrote:
It was last year. I went a year early, no way they get it this year.

Never mind lad!

How you travelling this year fantasy wise?

Mearcats wrote:Ok, so further to my earlier line of discussion but the flip side of it... As Welshy knows, previous guns is a popular topic of debate for me. But in this instance I'm more interested in when to know whether a previous gun is ripe for the picking or simply expired and past its use by date.

Smith to start the year has already caught some people out obviously but what about guys like Gallen, Fifi, Lolo, Inglis et al? Do we see these players reaching a turning point in the season to make them justifiable and if so, what is that trigger for you? Or (probably in Inglis' case) are we at a point where they should no longer be considered in discussions regarding the elite echelon of players?

Is this bait for me fella? 

Are we talking just the big name guns? or just falls from previous fantasy grace?

With GI he just looks like he is flagging and slow, has been getting some oppurtunites to score points but I see him flopping in contact alot, Milch mentioned he has had enough ball to score the points but the TB's and offloads ain't coming. Still looks in pre season form to me and no sign of a move to fullback they have all been mooting, does he still have the lateral quickness needed? Does he doubt himself in the 1 shirt?

I'd like some back and forth on suggested names as I take your advice on board mate

Thoughts on Curtis Scott?

Mearcats wrote:Ok, so further to my earlier line of discussion but the flip side of it... As Welshy knows, previous guns is a popular topic of debate for me. But in this instance I'm more interested in when to know whether a previous gun is ripe for the picking or simply expired and past its use by date.

Smith to start the year has already caught some people out obviously but what about guys like Gallen, Fifi, Lolo, Inglis et al? Do we see these players reaching a turning point in the season to make them justifiable and if so, what is that trigger for you? Or (probably in Inglis' case) are we at a point where they should no longer be considered in discussions regarding the elite echelon of players?

I think it’s easier to judge with the base stat type guys, if they’re getting the minutes they’ll get the points. It’s tougher with the guys like Inglis and LoLo as they need those big plays, the opposition can learn to contain them or they lose the edge that they had. Their scores also fluctuate more so it becomes much harder to know if it’s just a low scoring patch or there’s a reason for the lower scores, just gotta watch the games and trust your gut.
I’ve traded LoLo because I can’t take the scores anymore so the Cowboys will turn it around this week and he’ll bust out a ton

Krump wrote:
I think it’s easier to judge with the base stat type guys, if they’re getting the minutes they’ll get the points. It’s tougher with the guys like Inglis and LoLo as they need those big plays, the opposition can learn to contain them or they lose the edge that they had. Their scores also fluctuate more so it becomes much harder to know if it’s just a low scoring patch or there’s a reason for the lower scores, just gotta watch the games and trust your gut.
I’ve traded LoLo because I can’t take the scores anymore so the Cowboys will turn it around this week and he’ll bust out a ton

With Lolo, Rapa etc their teams have been really poor to start the season so it's hard to judge if that is affecting their fantasy outputs, signs point to yes so a turn in form could be around the corner

Hey guys, JFH is coming in for me this week - The question is who for.

Griffen has peaked IMO, and is an easy straight swap with some cash. But, he would a solid guy to have as a emergency, especially as a Hooker cover (Only have Cook). If I go this way, I can sit on Doughei and GI for a week (outside the 17) before I replace them with who ever.

OR, Get rid of GI and Doughei, bring in JFH and JMK (who brings half and backs cover). Or Gosiewski, and risk having no back cover for now.

Thoughts? What are Doggies thinking about JMK - Job security still in the air?

Blain wrote:Hey guys, JFH is coming in for me this week - The question is who for.

Griffen has peaked IMO, and is an easy straight swap with some cash. But, he would a solid guy to have as a emergency, especially as a Hooker cover (Only have Cook). If I go this way, I can sit on Doughei and GI for a week (outside the 17) before I replace them with who ever.

OR, Get rid of GI and Doughei, bring in JFH and JMK (who brings half and backs cover). Or Gosiewski, and risk having no back cover for now.

Thoughts? What are Doggies thinking about JMK - Job security still in the air?

this is more or less my dilemma this week. what to do with doughie and particularly GI. can justify to myself holding one more week even with injuries to brown and murray.
happy to wait a week on gosie as seems like could be a trap.

Mearcats wrote:Ok, so further to my earlier line of discussion but the flip side of it... As Welshy knows, previous guns is a popular topic of debate for me. But in this instance I'm more interested in when to know whether a previous gun is ripe for the picking or simply expired and past its use by date.

Smith to start the year has already caught some people out obviously but what about guys like Gallen, Fifi, Lolo, Inglis et al? Do we see these players reaching a turning point in the season to make them justifiable and if so, what is that trigger for you? Or (probably in Inglis' case) are we at a point where they should no longer be considered in discussions regarding the elite echelon of players?

Inglis when he moves to fullback

Tolo when the Cowboys attack starts to click (youll see a big score from Tolo and then jump on)

Gallen im giving a miss this year as i think as the season wears on he'll get less minutes to save him for the back end

Fifi whenever you can afford him, he is going to be the same rollercoaster all year

I'm coming around to the same thinking as Milch and dropping Croker instead of Doueihi. Souths just looked so much better with him on the field.

@SI Sorry, I'm a bit new here. Is the strategy we captain expensive players then immediately drop them after a bad week then trade them back in after a good week Ad nauseam?

Just trying to understand how to fantasy

Krump wrote:

Welshy wrote:
Are you paying up early mate or holding hope?

It was last year. I went a year early, no way they get it this year.
Edit: did pay up early though

Please show the forum a Piccy of the latest bet you lost Krumpet

Welshy wrote:

Is this bait for me fella? 

Are we talking just the big name guns? or just falls from previous fantasy grace?

With GI he just looks like he is flagging and slow, has been getting some oppurtunites to score points but I see him flopping in contact alot, Milch mentioned he has had enough ball to score the points but the TB's and offloads ain't coming. Still looks in pre season form to me and no sign of a move to fullback they have all been mooting, does he still have the lateral quickness needed? Does he doubt himself in the 1 shirt?

I'd like some back and forth on suggested names as I take your advice on board mate

Thoughts on Curtis Scott?

No no no, not bait at all mate, just that you and I have had similar discussions many a time. To be honest, I haven't considered GI an out and out gun for a few years now but he certainly has been in the past. I think the problem is that he just lacks that aggression that he used to have. Whether that's from a lack of confidence or what it is, he doesn't seem to be in a position to do a lot. I don't think they can move him to fullback simply due to what he has shown.

As for Scott, guy has talent in shovel loads no doubt. Maybe his slow start is second year syndrome or maybe it purely comes back to the way Melbourne as a team is going. This ties in with what I was talking about regarding potential guns. I think Krump alluded to the necessity of having the ability to score big scores back to back. We know he can do that. The second point was a teams position and his standing within that team to be able to utilise the talent that he has. Maybe that is all that is holding him back at the moment. I will be interested to see what they do differently this week with Jacks into the side over Croft. Could be the trigger that's required to get a few of the outside backs firing.

As for his fantasy value, I don't see a heap of value in any Melbourne players (CS9 aside) this year. Early on NAS, ok, Munster and Felise you would assume come good but currently they don't rustle my jimmies. That is right now though and able to change. If you wanted to take a gamble on him then I'd be ok with it but on the scale of 1-10 in risks he'd be a 6 Miley Cyrus' for me.

Brendos1er wrote:@SI Sorry, I'm a bit new here. Is the strategy we captain expensive players then immediately drop them after a bad week then trade them back in after a good week Ad nauseam?

Just trying to understand how to fantasy

Deadset was waiting to cop it from you, haha. If only I had stuck by my words that I was keeping Cam and Captaining him for at least another two weeks after Roound 3.

Murray will be staying in my 17 until an hour before kick off when we get confirmation. If the mail is right and he is out the ranked subs come into play

Milchcow wrote:

WT Winfield wrote:

Not to mention that someone like Welshy for example, has to fight off fucking dragons every day just to travel to England to use the internet for fantasy purposes. If that's not dedication, I don't know what is.

Just quoting again because this is post of the year so far

Agreed. I thought Winfield was making shit up but I googled it and it's actually true.

Pookus McFly wrote:The best example is Spot the Ozzie. He was always allowed to post links to his Youtube videos because he was a contributing member of the forum. Whatever happened to Spot the Ozzie anyway?
He was alright.

The voice of an angel that lad.

Krump wrote:
I think it’s easier to judge with the base stat type guys, if they’re getting the minutes they’ll get the points. It’s tougher with the guys like Inglis and LoLo as they need those big plays, the opposition can learn to contain them or they lose the edge that they had. Their scores also fluctuate more so it becomes much harder to know if it’s just a low scoring patch or there’s a reason for the lower scores, just gotta watch the games and trust your gut.
I’ve traded LoLo because I can’t take the scores anymore so the Cowboys will turn it around this week and he’ll bust out a ton

I also think it's easier to predict with base stat players (almost in the same way with emerging keepers and guns like in Cap'ns write up) but I don't quite think it's cut and dry. Fifita for example is both a base stat player and an attacking menace when he wants to be. Gallen basically just a base statter but asides from one game his minutes haven't greatly reduced (I think, defs could be wrong tho) and yet his output is down.

Then you also have the Smith conundrum. Obviously playing with a niggling injury but base stats are his thing and yet he started the year like a pedestrian! I was listening to the fantasy podcast on NRL.com today and CK was saying how the game last week Smith was running and kicking in general play, attacking the line, offloading etc which was very different from the first 4 weeks. OK, sure, it was different but only from the first 4 weeks cos that is exactly what we usually expect Smith to do!

Shanbon wrote:

Inglis when he moves to fullback

Tolo when the Cowboys attack starts to click (youll see a big score from Tolo and then jump on)

Gallen im giving a miss this year as  i think as the season wears on he'll get less minutes to save him for the back end

Fifi whenever you can afford him, he is going to be the same rollercoaster all year

I agree for the most part Shanbon, all bar Inglis. Do you honestly think that a move to fullback would see his fortunes change? I just can't see it. I bought him this year thinking he's had some time off, got the knee cleaned up, should be fresh and there was talk about a move back to FB. The more I watch him tho the more I'm concerned that that wouldn't help him at all. Inglis is at his most damaging when he runs hard, uses that fend and offload, looks for holes and work. Yes, one would say that he'll get more ball at FB but I just feel like he doesn't have what it takes to make those breaks and be the ball runner that he used to be.

I bet we won't be any wiser in regards to Murray tomorrow

Brendos1er wrote:@SI Sorry, I'm a bit new here. Is the strategy we captain expensive players then immediately drop them after a bad week then trade them back in after a good week Ad nauseam?

Just trying to understand how to fantasy

You keep that level of banter up and you'll be just fine around these parts grasshopper!

Mearcats wrote:

No no no, not bait at all mate, just that you and I have had similar discussions many a time. To be honest, I haven't considered GI an out and out gun for a few years now but he certainly has been in the past. I think the problem is that he just lacks that aggression that he used to have. Whether that's from a lack of confidence or what it is, he doesn't seem to be in a position to do a lot. I don't think they can move him to fullback simply due to what he has shown.

As for Scott, guy has talent in shovel loads no doubt. Maybe his slow start is second year syndrome or maybe it purely comes back to the way Melbourne as a team is going. This ties in with what I was talking about regarding potential guns. I think Krump alluded to the necessity of having the ability to score big scores back to back. We know he can do that. The second point was a teams position and his standing within that team to be able to utilise the talent that he has. Maybe that is all that is holding him back at the moment. I will be interested to see what they do differently this week with Jacks into the side over Croft. Could be the trigger that's required to get a few of the outside backs firing.

As for his fantasy value, I don't see a heap of value in any Melbourne players (CS9 aside) this year. Early on NAS, ok, Munster and Felise you would assume come good but currently they don't rustle my jimmies. That is right now though and able to change. If you wanted to take a gamble on him then I'd be ok with it but on the scale of 1-10 in risks he'd be a 6 Miley Cyrus' for me.

Just taking the piss mate!

I've got Inglis are you keeping him?

I think Scott will see a big uptick in fantasy scores from now on, I think he has the highest potential for points increase from where he is currently priced than any other CTR, it's still a punt but I want him in either this week or next

Next player.

Jordan Rapana?