Anthem snub

ryno_ wrote:

You could work around that - use the local dialect from the area where Captain Cook landed. Use the dialect from Canberra, as the National Capital. Use the dialect from wherever the first colony was established. Use whatever dialect is most in use in modern day. Use the dialect from the area Lang Park sits because 8 in a row cunts, never forget.

Many options.

Qeenlanda is not a dialect

I’ll be in a tiny minority saying this but I also think talk around the anthem and Australia Day is nothing but tokenist rubbish when you look at the real issues that are being faced everyday in remote aboriginal communities. People want to talk about things that are easy rather than things that are more important because the important things are a much harder conversation.

Krump wrote:I’ll be in a tiny minority saying this but I also think talk around the anthem and Australia Day is nothing but tokenist rubbish when you look at the real issues that are being faced everyday in remote aboriginal communities. People want to talk about things that are easy rather than things that are more important because the important things are a much harder conversation.

100% agree with this and most indigenous leaders feel the same way. Its only the high profile people like Mundine who bring up the easy stuff.

Shanbon wrote:

100% agree with this and most indigenous leaders feel the same way. Its only the high profile people like Mundine who bring up the easy stuff.

We are talking about the real issues now because someone brought up this "tokenist rubbish".
Case and point why it is done - it is effective.

The more any of it gets talked about, and people have more understanding off the wider issues, the better.

filthridden wrote:

We are talking about the real issues now because someone brought up this "tokenist rubbish".
Case and point why it is done - it is effective.

The more any of it gets talked about, and people have more understanding off the wider issues, the better.

Possibly. Maybe we’re talking about it in spite of what I consider tokenist rubbish?
Don’t get me wrong I don’t care about Australia Day at all and the anthem not much more and would be quite happy to see both changed. I do care about the huge disadvantages that people born in remote communities face though.
You using quotes shows a very common attitude that gets brought up whenever someone (right or wrong) faces when they try to talk about important issues instead of things that are easy to do but don’t solve any real(IMO) problems. The latest report on the closing the gap initiative came out in the last week with only 2 of 7 interim targets being met and here we are talking about songs and long weekends.

And when our many indigenous communities can consider and agree on something like The Uluru Statement from the Heart it is instantly dismissed by the government with misrepresentations about what the document actually says.

code delta wrote:And when our many indigenous communities can consider and agree on something like The Uluru Statement from the Heart it is instantly dismissed by the government with misrepresentations about what the document actually says.  

Misrepresentations is a kind way of describing some of the bullshit trotted out about the Uluru statement.

filthridden wrote:

We are talking about the real issues now because someone brought up this "tokenist rubbish".
Case and point why it is done - it is effective.

The more any of it gets talked about, and people have more understanding off the wider issues, the better.

Yep. Kaepernick got bashed for the same thing - doing token gestures instead of actually helping / donating / volunteering to help his community. But his token gesture of kneeling got the issues talked about for years after he actually knelt and put it on the national agenda.

filthridden wrote:

We are talking about the real issues now because someone brought up this "tokenist rubbish".
Case and point why it is done - it is effective.

The more any of it gets talked about, and people have more understanding off the wider issues, the better.

What a load of crap. If that was the case then why was KAK lambasted when she called out Yumi Styles on exactly this point. Every social justice keyboard warrior, professional protesting tokenist was calling for her sacking for being a racist. If what you said was true they would have hailed her a hero for making the leap and bringing it out in the open to the media's attention. It took indigenous leaders to say she was right. Indigenous kids being raped in the Kimberleys has nothing to do with Australia Day.

What's next protesting refugees on Manus Island get an extra slice of toast is why the Medivac bill was passed ? No, it's because the issue was important, more so than lesser things effecting refugees and people raised it and brought it to attention.

No Worries wrote:


What a load of crap. If that was the case then why was KAK lambasted when she called out Yumi Styles on exactly this point. Every social justice keyboard warrior, professional protesting tokenist was calling for her sacking for being a racist. If what you said was true they would have hailed her a hero for making the leap and bringing it out in the open to the media's attention. It took indigenous leaders to say she was right. Indigenous kids being raped in the Kimberleys has nothing to do with Australia Day.  

What's next protesting refugees on Manus Island get an extra slice of toast is why the Medivac bill was passed ? No, it's because the issue was important, more so than lesser things effecting refugees and people raised it and brought it to attention.

Because K(kk)AK was being racist and hiding behind a vaguely un-racist point to make her dogwhistle.

Her delivery may not have been on point, but the song remains the same. Pointing out that band wagoners are shallow and pointless when they could be making a difference is now offensive.

ryno_ wrote:

Because K(kk)AK was being racist and hiding behind a vaguely un-racist point to make her dogwhistle.

Anyone who tries to make a point about it is labelled racist though. Good luck trying to be in the centre of any debate in this day and age, you get shouted down from both sides. The right will call you a virtue signalling snowflake and the left will call you a facist racist all without anyone bothering to check if the argument being made is a good one or not.

No Worries wrote:Her delivery may not have been on point, but the song remains the same. Pointing out that band wagoners are shallow and pointless when they could be making a difference is now offensive.

But if you (the royal you, not you specifically), are being deliberately or otherwise lazy in making that argument and wander all over the place and stumble over racist dogwhistles and talking points, you deserve to get called out on that.

And besides, none of her arguments should derail the legitimacy of the protesters on invasion day - their point isnt less valid because of other disadvantages their community also suffers.

Wanted to call out how well behaved and civil everyone has been in this thread.
No name calling, no personal attacks. No animosity in a discussion around a very sensitive issue.

Well done, all!

(don't vote for me in the soft cock awards)

Don't worry Filth, apparently we're self-nominating this year......

NRL players wouldn't be my first choice as a moral compass anyway but this is what annoys me about the whole anthem/date/flag arguments ....

The NT News is perhaps best known for its outrageous front pages and irreverent style. But today’s front page was arguably one of its most shocking yet. (Feb 15th)

The daily newspaper, circulated throughout the Northern Territory, today published new figures showing the annual number of abuse and neglect notifications for Territory children has increased to 24,743.

“One every 21 minutes,” its front page read in relation to territory children being neglected, sexually exploited or abused.

Of the 24,743 notifications, 2110 incidents were substantiated, revealing 1744 NT kids had been, were being, or were likely to be, abused, neglected or otherwise harmed, the NT News reports. It’s fewer than the 2209 proven incidents against 1910 Territory kids in 2016-17.

So - change the date if you like, get a new National Anthem and a new flag, I really don't care .... as long as we can then sort THIS out!

ryno_ wrote:

But if you (the royal you, not you specifically), are being deliberately or otherwise lazy in making that argument and wander all over the place and stumble over racist dogwhistles and talking points, you deserve to get called out on that.

And besides, none of her arguments should derail the legitimacy of the protesters on invasion day - their point isnt less valid because of other disadvantages their community also suffers.

This a thousand times over!! Spot on RYnO.

As to the anthem, it poo, utter garbage and means nothing, I'm embarrassed listening to it. The Anthem should be "I am Australian"
I came from the dream-time
From the dusty red-soil plains
I am the ancient heart
The keeper of the flame
I stood upon the rocky shores
I watched the tall ships come
For forty thousand years I've been
The first Australian
I came upon the prison ship
Bowed down by iron chains
I bought the land, endured the lash
And waited for the rains
I'm a settler, I'm a farmer's wife
On a dry and barren run
A convict, then a free man
I became Australian
I'm the daughter of a digger
Who sought the mother lode
The girl became a woman
On the long and dusty road
I'm a child of the Depression
I saw the good times come
I'm a bushie, I'm a battler
I am Australian
We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"
I'm a teller of stories
I'm a singer of songs
I am Albert Namatjira
And I paint the ghostly gums
I'm Clancy on his horse
I'm Ned Kelly on the run
I'm the one who waltzed Matilda
I am Australian
I'm the hot wind from the desert
I'm the black soil of the plains
I'm the mountains and the valleys
I'm the drought and flooding rains
I am the rock, I am the sky
The rivers when they run
The spirit of this great land
I am Australian
We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"
We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"

If that first verse doesn't get you, right in the heart, you're not human. This is my anthem!!

As to the flag, fuck it off. Hate the argument that people went to war and died for it. Wasn't the flag my nan and pop fought under in WW2 and fucked if they were fighting for a flag. THey we're fighting cause they'd had to, but they hated the injustices bought down on our first people, and anyone who says someone was fighting for a flag has no idea what their parents, grandparents or others went through..."fighting for a flag..." fuck off.

As to Oz day, what a debacle that whole thing is. It's this simple, if a bunch of boat people came to this country, massacred us on mass and then said "hey, get over it, time to move on,let's celebrate the day that started, seriously,you'd want to party on down, again, fuck off. People say it's "just a date" well if it's just a date, fucking change it so the people who genuinely have a distaste for the day,and understandably so, can move on.

As to the no signing of the anthem, what a non issue. People demanding someone should sing a certain song or respect a certain flag, and then say things like, it a free country and I can be racist if I want fuck me dead can the morons not see the irony in that. Fucking absolute toss pots the lot of them.

The "I'm not racist but....." crowd are as thick as the fucking "pro-plaguers" seriously, vaccinate your kids you tin hat foil wearing numpties!

Ozymandias wrote:NRL players wouldn't be my first choice as a moral compass anyway but this is what annoys me about the whole anthem/date/flag arguments ....

The NT News is perhaps best known for its outrageous front pages and irreverent style. But today’s front page was arguably one of its most shocking yet. (Feb 15th)

The daily newspaper, circulated throughout the Northern Territory, today published new figures showing the annual number of abuse and neglect notifications for Territory children has increased to 24,743.

“One every 21 minutes,” its front page read in relation to territory children being neglected, sexually exploited or abused.

Of the 24,743 notifications, 2110 incidents were substantiated, revealing 1744 NT kids had been, were being, or were likely to be, abused, neglected or otherwise harmed, the NT News reports. It’s fewer than the 2209 proven incidents against 1910 Territory kids in 2016-17.

So - change the date if you like, get a new National Anthem and a new flag, I really don't care .... as long as we can then sort THIS out!

Cause we can't do all those things and advocating for one somehow means you don't care about the other???, rightio.

filthridden wrote:Wanted to call out how well behaved and civil everyone has been in this thread.
No name calling, no personal attacks. No animosity in a discussion around a very sensitive issue.

Well done, all!

(don't vote for me in the soft cock awards)

Oops, sorry, might have messed that up? No personal attacks from me though, just generally calling out all the turkeys.