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    Post by Chewie Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:56 pm

    Rapture_NRL wrote:"Line Break - Ball carrier breaks the defensive line in open play or when player crosses the try line and successfully scores a Try"


    So every try is 12 points? Or is the LB included in the 8 points for scoring? And how far past the line before it counts? Like if the winger and fb are there



    Wait, so when a player gets past the defensive line and doesn't score, then it's not a line break?

    Line break:
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    Post by filthridden Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:57 pm

    Rapture_NRL wrote:

    I love Bunty too, great hard runner and reliable. Yeah, perhaps 'great' was a hyperbole. But even if he doesn't bend the line, he gets in the gap which gets him on his front for quick PTBs. When he defends he backs up multiple tackles, and yeah, I see him slide off some (counting as missed) but it gets the runners down and supports his team. *TRIGGERD* I'm getting tired of the overhyped Papali'i. Don't get me wrong, I love his tenacity, but the stats don't show him standing back instead of cutting off the offloads. It doesn't show him not being square at marker (unpenalized but could have been) forcing his A defenders to work harder. This was obvious af in the Manly game. The teams that are the best in the comp compete in everything and don't drop their standards. And don't get me started on Blair. That dude knows how to give away a late penalty which happened in both the Tigers and Manly game. And this was when the Warriors were still in the game. After that they ended up blowing out. It also pmo that as a leader, I regularly see him being the last man back in the defensive line. Lead by example. I miss Mannering *rant over until tonight's game lol*

    Can't disagree with what you've said. Clearly I get annoyed at the Burr love and you get annoyed at the Papali'i love.
    Key difference for me is that I'm probably caught up in the potential that Papali'i shows and am constantly hear that they expect him to be a leader in the team if not the captain in the future. It's easy to forget he's still eligible for the under 20s and Bunty is only 22. These guys are performing well above most other players of their age.

    Lachlan burr is 26. He and Blair are either capable of better or should be on notice. I think Burr is lucky to still be in the 17. He is a committed defender but I think he offers almost nothing in attack.

    Burr isn't terrible and the Warriors are making do with what they've got. If Burr is our best starting 13 then we're in trouble. Look at all the starting 13s this round. Burr would honestly not take any of their places. Maybe Lawrie or Barnett. To be fair, I'm not sure if Blair/Papali'i would fair much better. Maybe Taylor, maybe Moeroa.

    I do still thinking being a fantasy cashcow is clouding peoples judgement of Burr. I also think all Warriors fans (myself included) are struggling to be obective given how the last two weeks have gone. Sad
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    Post by standard-issue Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:59 pm

    Rapture_NRL wrote:
    SI wrote:

    Just had a look and it was at least a 21 point play mate (haven't included the 8 metres gained).

    Try 8
    LB 4
    TB 3 (9)

    If they counted Bird touching him at the time Crichton receives the ball then it's a 24 point play.

    I'm not convinced he is going to reach his Rabbits heights, but do agree at 670k he is a great buy.  Even for his output now, let alone his POTENTIAL.  He might be one I personally let go though.

    How do they define Line Breaks? Because there should be a lot more of them if Crichton's one was

    They've started handing them out for pretty much every Try that involves a bit more work then just diving on a loose ball.
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    Post by Chewie Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:00 pm

    I love Burr as a reliable cashcow, I like his attitude and work ethic on the field, but wouldn't say he's worthy of the 13 spot
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    Post by mattnz Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:02 pm

    Rapture_NRL wrote:"Line Break - Ball carrier breaks the defensive line in open play or when player crosses the try line and successfully scores a Try"


    So every try is 12 points? Or is the LB included in the 8 points for scoring? And how far past the line before it counts? Like if the winger and fb are there



    Wait, so when a player gets past the defensive line and doesn't score, then it's not a line break?

    A try doesn't need to be scored for there to be a line break, but with the exception of the circumstances I advised above, a line break is always awarded when a try is scored. +8 for the try +4 for the line break, which may or may not be the try scorer getting the line break.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:04 pm

    What gets me the defenders get a missed tackle when someone scores a try. Fair enough if 1 falls off the tackle but if the other defenders still have contact then they haven't missed a tackle.
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    Post by Revraiser Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:05 pm

    LB and TB discussion high point again today lads ?
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    Post by Milchcow Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:08 pm

    Rapture_NRL wrote:"
    Wait, so when a player gets past the defensive line and doesn't score, then it's not a line break?

    You can break the line and not score a try.

    Mattnz was saying that every try (except through kicks or intercepts) also includes a line break.
    Wasn't always like this. A winger on the end of a backline play may not have gotten a linebreak if he scored a try with defenders alongside him, rather than behind him. That might still happen sometimes, I don't pay that much attention to live stats

    They used to be a lot tougher on what a linebreak was in general. People would get past their defender, but as long as there was another defender (other than the fullback) closer to the tryline, then they wouldn't consider the line 'broken'
    People used to complain about it as much as they complain about try saves and tackle breaks, as some plays that were clear 'line breaks' to the eye, weren't meeting the definition they had. They seemed to have relaxed things.
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    Post by Revraiser Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:09 pm

    filthridden wrote:

    Kind of a humblebrag but I work near an aged care facility and there are a lot of elderly people who go around the block a lot on wheelchairs, with walking frames or with walking sticks.
    There are a lot of trees that drop branches on the footpaths. On my way to and from work, I always move any debris off the footpath so people with accessibility issues can navigate the area well enough.

    I had one lady catch me doing it, must've realised why I was doing it and was so super grateful and everytime I saw her, she always had a beaming smile on her face when she saw me.

    I saw her probably twice a week for a year or two and then I just stopped seeing her. Never even knew her name but she always remembered who I was and was very happy to say hello to me. I hope that when I'm that old, I acknowledge the goodness going on around me.

    If I can make one persons life a bit happier, especially when they're nearing their end then why not take a minute out of your day.
    I'm not interested in what people are doing wrong, I just want to do what I can and maybe others will follow the example.

    So, aahhhh... what are you up to tonight..... babe ?
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    Post by filthridden Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:10 pm

    Rapture_NRL wrote:

    Definitely exaggerated, but he's a consistent workhorse with an offload and good PTB speed. He puts in effort which is what I ask for. I can't stand watching laziness that I see in several of the Warriors forwards. I love Jazz because he has effort plus x-factor

    I think Jazz is a fan fav across the competition. Easy to love a guy who plays the way he does.
    I'm glad we picked up LAM this year, he's been a hardworker. Tohu is still toiling away and Bunty is getting better and better.

    The disruption of losing Johnson has clearly had an effect on the playing group.

    Really interesting after the first game, there are quotes from a few of the players saying that Keighran will only get better and they knew all pre-season that he was that good etc.
    Two games later he's dropped.

    I am guessing there's not gonna be any consistency in the halves in the first half of the season at least unless CHT kills it for several games in a row.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:13 pm

    Great insight Filth. Cheers.
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    Post by Krump Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:17 pm

    Revraiser wrote:

    So, aahhhh... what are you up to tonight..... babe ?
    Did I miss something?
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    Post by Revraiser Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:19 pm

    Don't  get the breakdown of a player's score like Crichton, who is highly likely to get those type of plays regularly, cause he's a shit hot player!  Look through his highlights if anyone has forgotten, it's what he does, crack the line.


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    Post by Revraiser Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:21 pm

    Krump wrote:
    Did I miss something?

    You, you greedy bastard, u got all of me last Wednesday night! U never told me threejizms are ur weakness Fap
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    Post by Krump Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:22 pm

    Revraiser wrote:LB and TB discussion high point again today lads ?
    Its a day that ends in Y isn't it Laughing . I actually wasn't aware of the LB if you score a try interpretation.
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    Post by StormTrooper96 Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:23 pm

    Krump wrote:
    Its a day that ends in Y isn't it Laughing . I actually wasn't aware of the LB if you score a try interpretation.

    If Bird had've scored that try his score would've been 40... that would've been great.
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    Post by Rapture_NRL Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:27 pm

    filthridden wrote:

    Can't disagree with what you've said. Clearly I get annoyed at the Burr love and you get annoyed at the Papali'i love.
    Key difference for me is that I'm probably caught up in the potential that Papali'i shows and am constantly hear that they expect him to be a leader in the team if not the captain in the future. It's easy to forget he's still eligible for the under 20s and Bunty is only 22. These guys are performing well above most other players of their age.

    Lachlan burr is 26. He and Blair are either capable of better or should be on notice. I think Burr is lucky to still be in the 17. He is a committed defender but I think he offers almost nothing in attack.

    Burr isn't terrible and the Warriors are making do with what they've got. If Burr is our best starting 13 then we're in trouble. Look at all the starting 13s this round. Burr would honestly not take any of their places. Maybe Lawrie or Barnett. To be fair, I'm not sure if Blair/Papali'i would fair much better. Maybe Taylor, maybe Moeroa.

    I do still thinking being a fantasy cashcow is clouding peoples judgement of Burr. I also think all Warriors fans (myself included) are struggling to be obective given how the last two weeks have gone. Sad

    Very true. I still have great hopes for lil Papi (not Blair) and I think he'll become great for our team. I've probably just got PTSD from what I witnessed lol but my biggest bug bear with the Warriors is lazy defence. Committed defence and mediocre attack can still win games, but you can't win when Tommy Turbo is about 30m through your line because of lazy defence. Why I like Burr is the no-frills, get in and do the work, and back your mates up attitude. But fair point, he ain't the best in the comp. I see your attack point, but that's why people wondered why Woods was so hyped up. It's because he attracts defenders and gets on his front but can't for the life of him bump even Maloney off Laughing (I don't think Woods is great, I just understand why he was always touted as being great)
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    Post by mattnz Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:29 pm

    StormTrooper96 wrote:

    If Bird had've scored that try his score would've been 40... that would've been great.

    42 = 32 + 8 for the try + 2 for one less error
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    Post by Chewie Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:29 pm

    White Lightning wrote:What gets me the defenders get a missed tackle when someone scores a try. Fair enough if 1 falls off the tackle but if the other defenders still have contact then they haven't missed a tackle.
    What gets me is when one of my fantasy team members breaks the line, busts a few tackles, scores a try and gets called back for some kind of penalty earlier in the play.
    All the effort for nothing Bang
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    Post by Rapture_NRL Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:31 pm

    White Lightning wrote:What gets me the defenders get a missed tackle when someone scores a try. Fair enough if 1 falls off the tackle but if the other defenders still have contact then they haven't missed a tackle.


    Yeah, this annoys me when my players are touching a try-scorer


    Feels a bit silly to be awarding LBs for tries unless the line is actually broken. So most tries on goal line defence shouldn't get them because the line is still intact (in my opinion)

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