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    NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 47 - At Least Scott Drinkwater didn't go large again

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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:00 am

    Milchcow wrote:

    Its crazy that the mainstream networks can't produce that sort of level of analysis.

    Phil Gould can do a good job, but he's annoying for other reasons so I don't watch his stuff often.

    Normally analysis is like "Thurston saw a gap so he ran into it" that basically anyone could do.
    This sort of stuff just highlights how quick teams are to react to minor defensive errors from the opposition. Along with the Robinson video from the World Club Challenge where he was having a go at Cordner for having his feet pointing the wrong way, makes me appreciate how skilled and well drilled even average NRL players are


    There are some subtleties to the game that you just can't catch in real time, stuff that has been drilled at training over 10-15 years for the top tier guys. Watching someone like Dale Finucane contort his body as he hits the line so that he ends up on hands and knees for a quick play the ball most of the time is something that goes under the radar
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    Post by Camo123 Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:01 am

    Loomer wrote:

    87 BE 2nd recurrence of calf injury since start of lockdown making me think cut loose

    The BE is sort of irrelevant isn't it if you view him as a keeper

    Unless you want to spend trade to get him out, and then trade back in when he's cheaper

    Pending TLT and its surprises I think I'm leaning towards holding
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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:01 am

    Try to bank a trade this week and go Moses to Teddy unless a cow gets dropped
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:02 am

    Milchcow wrote:

    I think an hour a week is probably too long.

    After a while you'd probably get bored of seeing endless variations of "player made a tackle was out of defensive line so they ran a play where he should have been"
    Short videos or just integrated into regular coverage is where it would be best.

    Sterlo used to do stuff like this in the mid to late 2000's after tries were scored to run through how they were actually scored. Sometimes a try is set up by running a certain set over 70 minutes then throwing in a slight variation
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:05 am

    For anyone that wants more of an insight into the hows and whys of Rugby League this series is pretty good. It's a little dated being from the 2017 season

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/03/08/the-breakdown-with-matt-elliott-attacking-formations-round-1/

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/04/05/the-breakdown-with-matt-elliott-how-the-storm-dominate/

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/05/31/the-breakdown-with-matt-elliott-origin-structures/

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/07/26/breakdown-with-matt-elliott-centres/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48OjoSZS5X4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvzBryjHiBM
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    Post by Milchcow Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:05 am

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:Think it's a bit early in the year to be basing moves off the top 10 for sure, although it provides a bit of insight into why they got there. Most have traded hard early(I'd be surprised if any have more than 10 trades left after this week), gotten lucky with injuries/try scorers and missed the dud cows

    I think the eventual winner isn't sitting in the top 10 right now. Probably somewhere in the top 100, conserved a few trades while getting a bit unlucky with players that haven't exploded yet (players like Arrow, Murray, JTurbo, DCE rather than Matterson, Crichton, Yeo, Cleary)

    I also think spending big on WFBs at their peak is a recipe for a sub par final 17. As an example I'm sure Taupau, RTS and a spare 600k is going to outscore Teddy and Haas the rest of the way. As an extreme example that's the difference between owning Paix and Cook

    I'm in the top 100, but I'm pretty confident I can't win the whole thing. Maybe 2 or 3 different trades over the past month and i'd feel more confident in improving my rank. I have conserved 1 trade so far, may save some this week but more likely to trade JTB+Luai to get one more gun into my 17

    Just cementing top 100 position would be good enough for my season.

    I didn't overspend on WFB though - had Ponga and Pappy from the start, and traded Tedesco in at $817k

    CTR I'm wondering if I should have pulled the gun on Sione over Latrell, but won't know that answer for several weeks when Sione has either killed it or gone down himself.
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    Post by Snatchpato Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:12 am

    I pretty much had zero idea what I was doing the first 3 weeks, blew a whole bunch of trades, picked players I liked etc, and have only been focussing and trying to make wise choices for the last 3-4 weeks. I have 12 trades, with 209k in the bank, and my team currently stands as:

    Grant
    Papali JWH
    Jurbo Matto Lowe
    Nikorima Flanno
    Averillo Litchell
    Papen Mansour Best

    Macca JTB B.Sironen Stone

    E.Clark Hopoate Starling (doesn't play ever) Kepaoa (doesn't play ever)

    I was wondering whether I should be focussing on getting rid of the two in my team that have zero chance of playing (Kepaoa and Starling) by getting in some cheapies who might make some cash (thinking Talau, McIntyre, HTF)?
    Or should I be focussing on getting rid of Hopo and upgrading some of my poorer players (Nikorima, Lowe, Sironen, Stone)?

    I have few trades because I wasted so many early on, so was looking for some advice as to how best manage it from here. My main goal is to learn, make good decisions, and move up the ranks (currently 32k and aiming for top 10k by seasons end). Thanks for any and all advice!!
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    Post by Loomer Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:18 am

    Camo123 wrote:

    The BE is sort of irrelevant isn't it if you view him as a keeper

    Unless you want to spend trade to get him out, and then trade back in when he's cheaper

    Pending TLT and its surprises I think I'm leaning towards holding

    I can't afford to trade him out and trade back in VS can't afford to keep him and injures calf again soon after return and loses a boatload more cash and becomes dead weight
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    Post by Loomer Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:20 am

    Milchcow wrote:

    I'm in the top 100, but I'm pretty confident I can't win the whole thing. Maybe 2 or 3 different trades over the past month and i'd feel more confident in improving my rank. I have conserved 1 trade so far, may save some this week but more likely to trade JTB+Luai to get one more gun into my 17

    Just cementing top 100 position would be good enough for my season.

    I didn't overspend on WFB though - had Ponga and Pappy from the start, and traded Tedesco in at $817k

    CTR I'm wondering if I should have pulled the gun on Sione over Latrell, but won't know that answer for several weeks when Sione has either killed it or gone down on himself.

    Phrasing!!!
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    Post by Mr Snrub Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:25 am

    Loomer wrote:

    87 BE 2nd recurrence of calf injury since start of lockdown making me think cut loose

    That's my concern. Let's say he returns early and re-injures himself. He'll drop tons more cash and it'll be an uphill battle to try and replace him.

    It does seem a waste to trade him out if he only ends up being 2 weeks and he holds up fine though. Ah decisions, decisions.
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    Post by The Goat Boys Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:29 am

    When you guys talk about top 10 is it top 10 in our league or just top 10 in Nrl Fantasy in general
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    Post by Loomer Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:36 am


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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
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    Post by standard-issue Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:40 am

    The Goat Boys wrote:When you guys talk about top 10 is it top 10 in our league or just top 10 in Nrl Fantasy in general

    The actual Overall Top 10, not our League.
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    Post by KingTeddy Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:44 am

    Loomer wrote:
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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
    12:19 PM · Jun 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    Finally some good news for Broncos. You could say I'm a broncos hater but far out this is great news for the fans, I'm happy for them. No one deserves to watch those 2 play for their team anymore, shame it's too late but finally Seibold has shown some balls
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    Post by Shady2K Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:46 am

    Loomer wrote:
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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
    12:19 PM · Jun 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    Herbie a viable cow now? Beating Heart
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    Post by churg Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:46 am

    Loomer wrote:
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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
    12:19 PM · Jun 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
    Awesome news for Broncs fans.
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    Post by hymenbustas Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 am

    Loomer wrote:
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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
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    Wow, seibs finally have the balls to do something. Wouldn't be surprised if milf goes to FB, dearden/croft halves, niu 14. Issako staggs farn and coates make up the outside backs. Turp is almost back too isn't he?
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    Post by Mulvy Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:49 am

    Loomer wrote:
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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
    12:19 PM · Jun 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    Wow, Tesi a trade in next week for me defo. Will be able to loop my three trash centres.
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    Post by Milchcow Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 am

    Snatchpato wrote:I pretty much had zero idea what I was doing the first 3 weeks, blew a whole bunch of trades, picked players I liked etc, and have only been focussing and trying to make wise choices for the last 3-4 weeks. I have 12 trades, with 209k in the bank, and my team currently stands as:

    Grant
    Papali JWH
    Jurbo Matto Lowe
    Nikorima Flanno
    Averillo Litchell
    Papen Mansour Best

    Macca JTB B.Sironen Stone

    E.Clark Hopoate Starling (doesn't play ever) Kepaoa (doesn't play ever)

    I was wondering whether I should be focussing on getting rid of the two in my team that have zero chance of playing (Kepaoa and Starling) by getting in some cheapies who might make some cash (thinking Talau, McIntyre, HTF)?
    Or should I be focussing on getting rid of Hopo and upgrading some of my poorer players (Nikorima, Lowe, Sironen, Stone)?

    I have few trades because I wasted so many early on, so was looking for some advice as to how best manage it from here. My main goal is to learn, make good decisions, and move up the ranks (currently 32k and aiming for top 10k by seasons end). Thanks for any and all advice!!

    Hi Snatch, and welcome to the forum

    One issue with your team - one is that you don't have a reliable captaincy option. You'll notice every other team here has a at least 1 of Haas, Taumalolo, McInnes as the top 3 reliable captaincy options. You are also missing other possible contenders Cook and Cam Smith as well as the top backs Tedesco, Ponga and the top halves DCE/Cleary/Moses.
    Guys like Jurbo, Flangan are OK but they need some better team mates

    If we look at improving your team for the rest of the year, trades remaining is the biggest killer. This is a problem for almost everyone, but with only 12 trades there is really not a lot of wriggle room to get your team going.
    Nethertheless, lets have a try.

    12 trades and 21 man squad mean that there are 9 players in your team that are guaranteed to stay there all year. And if anyone you trade in gets traded out again later, then thats another player that has to stay

    For a start , anyone averaging over 50 (or 45 for a back) gets to stay
    Grant, Papalii, Jurbo, Matterson, Flanagan, Latrell, Papenhuyzen, Best, McCullough

    You'd better hope those 9 players stay fit - because you don't want to have to trade any of them all year, but lets allocate 1 trade as a spare to replace any of them if they go down (obviously 1 trade is not a lot for this sort of thing, but you are far from alone being in this position)

    Secondly, Starlign and Kepaoa might as well stay too. You don't have trades to stuff around with too many cash cows and you generate no cash by downgrading them. Keep them in your team, learn how to loophole.

    Averillo can stay for now. He's not the best option, but not the worst, and for his price he is OK. If you pick up a better WFB you can play Best in CTR with Latrell and Averillo can stay in emergencies and not score for you unless you have someone injured anyway.

    JWH and Mansour are on the edge of keeperville. The dilemma is they are 2 of your better scorers, so you don't want to lose them, but as expensive players they are also the easiest to upgrade.

    Lets assume JWH and mansour will go for now, but if the other 3 stay in your team with the 9 keepers, then now we have 11 trades to use on 9 players.

    3 types of trade-ins
    Cash Cow - someone you trade in with the goal of trading out later at a profit. You want to make at least $200k if you can. not many obvious targets here. Tommy Talau might be OK, but he won't score 3 tries every week. I wouldn't trust HTF. You probably only get to bring in 1-3 cash cows, so have to be as confident as possible they'll do well, or you'll end up with a team of $300k players you can't move on who are either not playing, or scoring shit.
    Keepers - best scoring player you can to score for you every week. Affordability is the biggest issue so just have to get value wherever you can.
    Cash Outs - cheap players brought in to fund upgrades elsewhere. Ideally not part of your 17except to cover short term injuries. if you get McIntrye he'd fall into this category, same with Niu. Trading in a $212k player who doesn't play for looping purposes can be OK, especially later in the season, but you already have 2 red dots so probably not something you'd deliberately do.

    I'm not sure which Hopoate you have, Will or Jamil, but either way I'd consider downgrading to Tesi Niu as the cheapest player likely to play (assuming he doesn't get dropped this week)

    Other priority is to upgrade the 2 worst scorers in your 17. Sironen and Stone just scored tries themselves, so not necessarily trade them out this week, hope they can make a bit of money off the back of a good score before ditching.

    For upgrades - you aren't going to be able to go to Haas, Cook, Tauamalolo. Far too much money involved so you have to target the cheapest guys you can.
    Martin Taupau is cheap for his scoring after injury. 2-3 weeks after he comes back from injury Mitchell Moses might be too.
    Raymond Faitala-Mariner is pumping out pretty good scores for someone only just over $500k. He is an affordable upgrade over JTB who is just about maxxed out in price.
    Reece Robson another one you might want to look at (although he was best 3 weeks ago). As is Luke Thompson the new Bulldogs prop.

    Good luck improving your rank.
    Just by sticking it out and making trades each week you will be able to improve, and with a bit of luck with injuries you should be able to make significant gains


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    Post by my tv broke Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 am

    Loomer wrote:
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    Darius Boyd and Corey Oates look set to be dropped, both not part of the Broncos NRL training squad today.
    12:19 PM · Jun 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    OMFG!!!

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