NRL Fantasy 2021 Part 35 - Cheers, Slug

Archer wrote:I wonder if this season will at least lead them to changing points for KM. I get that fantasy isn't and will never be an accurate way of assessing players IRL performance, but I'm not sure any format of weighing up the halves should place so much weighting on the distance they kick. We might as well rename it kickers/punters.

Points for 1 on 1 tackles, less points for KM a must IMO. "Nice to have" would be distinguishing between the various severities of "missing a tackle", which is pretty tricky so maybe just distinguishing the difference between missing a tackle that leads to a LB/LBA/T/TA vs one that doesn't.

Archer wrote:I wonder if this season will at least lead them to changing points for KM. I get that fantasy isn't and will never be an accurate way of assessing players IRL performance, but I'm not sure any format of weighing up the halves should place so much weighting on the distance they kick. We might as well rename it kickers/punters.

Points for 1 on 1 tackles, less points for KM a must IMO. "Nice to have" would be distinguishing between the various severities of "missing a tackle", which is pretty tricky so maybe just distinguishing the difference between missing a tackle that leads to a LB/LBA/T/TA vs one that doesn't.

Edit: Just before people assume this is another Cleary whinge its not (he benefits from the KM sure, but he'd score well anyway), its when I look at things like Milford (and potentially Croft if last night continues) averaging pretty much the same as Wighton, Luai and Williams .

Mr Snrub wrote:

I've always viewed kick metres as a balancing tool to make gun halves as appealing as forwards. It does get a little absurd though that someone can get huge scores just from booting the fuck out of the ball with no real purpose.  

Mr Snrub wrote:

I've always viewed kick metres as a balancing tool to make gun halves as appealing as forwards. It does get a little absurd though that someone can get huge scores just from booting the fuck out of the ball with no real purpose.  

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Teams play styles have completely changed in the last few years. Previously, we only saw Campese and Soward kicking the piss out of the ball with most teams splitting kicking fairly evenly between the half and 5/8. But last year we saw a move to most teams using a dominant kicker, with the other primarily a ball runner. This was the reason I loaded up on halves to start the year, they have a floor in the 40s and ceiling, well we saw what happened last night.

SoylentGreen wrote:

Normally the halves that have massive kick meter games score next to nothing on anything else (eg Lachlan Lewis). Cleary, and to a lesser degree DCE are just complete packages from a fantasy standpoint - they will find points no matter what happens.

my tv broke wrote:We could just halve the value of kick metres, for Cleary alone. That brings his season average down to 83

Mr Snrub wrote:

I've always viewed kick metres as a balancing tool to make gun halves as appealing as forwards. It does get a little absurd though that someone can get huge scores just from booting the fuck out of the ball with no real purpose.  

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Teams play styles have completely changed in the last few years. Previously, we only saw Campese and Soward kicking the piss out of the ball with most teams splitting kicking fairly evenly between the half and 5/8. But last year we saw a move to most teams using a dominant kicker, with the other primarily a ball runner. This was the reason I loaded up on halves to start the year, they have a floor in the 40s and ceiling, well we saw what happened last night.

whall15 wrote:I'm an idiot, I played Niu at 17 to loop without thinking that he'd lock out straight away, now I cop Leniu's 18 instead of Simpkin or Fui.

so really I'm 3c/321 instead of 2c/303.

NoSpeakaAnyInglis wrote:

Not only that, but I think with the set restarts I've noticed alot of teams (the good ones) kicking early in the tackle count to get field position. Early kick when the defense is out of position, then pin them down with a good kick chase. This means we're seeing more long kicks. Would love a stat on how many times Cleary kicked on the 3rd or 4th last night and for what meterage.

Mr Snrub wrote:

I've always viewed kick metres as a balancing tool to make gun halves as appealing as forwards. It does get a little absurd though that someone can get huge scores just from booting the fuck out of the ball with no real purpose.  

Rippin and Tearin wrote:Couple questions:

1) Am I right in thinking Host will not be on the edge that is attacking the Nofo - Roberts - Ofa edge?
2) I noticed when MF left, there were several posts that implied the same stats people are being used for VSDT and for NRLF. This may well be the case, but the actual stats are quite different.

An example last night was Haas:

NRLF 1 TB
VSDT 4 TB

An even more extreme example was last week Dufty:
NRLF 2 Tries
VSDT 3 Tries

I think the latter is just a cock-up, but the TB, MT, and I think even tackles and MG are quite different across the board each week.

So, just wondering - same stats guys still and there are multiple measures of the same thing? Or actually different stats guys?

Milchcow wrote:

I agree, but there are plenty of forwards with no real skill other than having other forwards run into them multiple times a game.

If you are going to give 1 point just for making a tackle, you need to do something to make halves and backs able to score points too

my tv broke wrote:

They probably decided it wasn't worth the cost for dev hours for something that wasn't expected to happen more than a couple of times in a season.