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    NRL Fantasy 2021 Part 53 - The round's over. The magic lives on.

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    Post by Erin Moleman Tue May 18, 2021 10:12 am

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    haha fkn wow

    Oates dropped as well.

    Any idea who’s in for Oates ?
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    Post by Honey Badger Tue May 18, 2021 10:12 am

    Milchcow wrote:
    There was a time when Albert Kelly and Aiden Sezer were the starting halves for the Titans. Both cheap and both produced gun scores for a while.

    Yes, I had both!
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    Post by my tv broke Tue May 18, 2021 10:12 am

    Erin Moleman wrote:

    Any idea who’s in for Oates ?

    Mead according to Todd Balym at training.
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    Post by WT Winfield Tue May 18, 2021 10:13 am

    GreenMachine wrote:

    Panthers sent Daine Laurie away to buy Momirovski

    Tigers sent Momirovski away to buy Daine Laurie Cool
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    Post by Erin Moleman Tue May 18, 2021 10:14 am

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    Mead according to Todd Balym at training.

    Yuck. Forever revolving door of crap
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    Post by Honey Badger Tue May 18, 2021 10:14 am

    Does Roberts get back in now that Doueihi has moved to ctr?
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    Post by wolfking Tue May 18, 2021 10:15 am

    Kev is as bad as Seibold. Declared two weeks ago that the current halves will basically be in long term if not the year and he goes and changes yet again! I know he's up against it but he hasn't a clue what he's doing.
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    Post by Aardvark Ratnick Tue May 18, 2021 10:17 am

    wolfking wrote:Kev is as bad as Seibold.  Declared two weeks ago that the current halves will basically be in long term if not the year and he goes and changes yet again!  I know he's up against it but he hasn't a clue what he's doing.

    Look out for Alfie next weekend .....
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    Post by my tv broke Tue May 18, 2021 10:18 am

    wolfking wrote:Kev is as bad as Seibold.  Declared two weeks ago that the current halves will basically be in long term if not the year and he goes and changes yet again!  I know he's up against it but he hasn't a clue what he's doing.

    I think he's only doing this to try keep the media noise down. Not really possible in Brisbane but he's just trying to present a 'positive' front.

    I'm pretty sure this is why Turpin was named captain. The other options would have been headlines (pangai, lodge, haas)


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    Post by robelgordo Tue May 18, 2021 10:18 am

    Milf has to be done for good now. Doesn’t help them in either short or long term to play revolving halves like this.
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue May 18, 2021 10:19 am

    Mulvy wrote:Anyone want to check my logic here? If you're bored of centre talk, scroll past now. For those with the same problem, could be helpful.

    Centres are Bird, Peachey and Roberts. The way I see it, there are three options, all viewed through the lens of how many points scored over the next three weeks and how many trades used.

    1. No trade. Roberts potentially could be back next week according to casualty ward, or not at all. If I hold Roberts, He potentially gives me zero points in the next three weeks, or potentially 15 points in rd 12 and 13.

    So option 1. 0-30 points. Zero trades.

    2. Trade Roberts to a rd13 centre. If I did this, I suspect said player won't score as well as Peachey and Bird long term, so they would be first to go for a rd17 player when bye trading. But it would give me 25-35 points for the three weeks (Peachey is only out the next two weeks but I would play all three of them in rd13 of course).

    So option 2. 75-105 points. Two trades.

    3. Trade Roberts to a rd17 centre. I would try and make it a keeper (ie good JS) like Manu for example. Would get two scores of 30-40 points. If indeed I went Manu, has the advantage of Manu potentially into FB if Teddy is rested for any matches over Origin or the rest of the year (Robbo doesn't mind a rd25 Teddy resting).

    So option 3. 60-80 points. One trade.

    (There is a fourth option of trade Peachey to another centre, but it doesn't net me any more points than options 2 or 3 and I'm still left with Roberts in my team. Selling Peachey frees up cash, but I don't need it for my planned trades).

    Looking at that, option 2 looks like the poorest. Potentially only 45 more points than option 1 for two trades. Potentially gives up to 105 more points, but I reckon I could get more points using those two trades to sideways trade guns in the bye rounds or keeping for carnage in the run home.

    With option 3, I've only looked at scores over the next three weeks, you probably can't discount their rd17 score. Also option 1 means I still have James Roberts. Hmmm. I guess you can't even call option 1 zero trades because ultimately I'll be trading him, probably to a rd 17 player. This appears to make option 3 stand out. The big risk being rd17 is over seven weeks away and more chances for an injury or suspension.

    I think based on that I'm leaning toward option 3, although I'm almost certain some of my arguments are probably flawed to some extent. Thoughts greatly appreciated.

    Personally I wouldn't be trading in a centre purely for round 13 but understand you need one this week. If you are going to be running 1-2 short it may as well be in a position where even the guns can give you sub 20s on their day.

    I'd be grabbing a keeper and then moving on 1 of Peachey/Bird between 13 and 17 for a keeper in another position

    Short list for me would be Aitken, Best, Manu, Hopa(cheaper)

    I think it's gotta be option 1 or option 3
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue May 18, 2021 10:21 am

    Finally traded out Niu last week so fully expect him to be starting centre this week
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    Post by Mr Snrub Tue May 18, 2021 10:22 am

    Honey Badger wrote:Does Roberts get back in now that Doueihi has moved to ctr?

    Doubtful. He was absolute shithouse in real life and fantasy.
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    Post by my tv broke Tue May 18, 2021 10:23 am

    my tv broke wrote:

    I think he's only doing this to try keep the media noise down. Not really possible in Brisbane but he's just trying to present a 'positive' front.

    I'm pretty sure this is why Turpin was named captain. The other options would have been headlines (pangai, lodge, haas)

    They probably need to fuck the media and fans off from training for a while. Too many young kids that are struggling to find their place, no confidence in the squad. The constant eyes/ scrutiny isn't good for them.

    But if they closed the doors there would be an uproar from the media. Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
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    Post by Oz Sport Mad Tue May 18, 2021 10:23 am

    my tv broke wrote:

    don't understand the first part of this. he is real bad in defense.. positioning, awareness, organisation all lacking.


    I disagree on positioning & awareness - but I am often taking into account the 12 other blokes who have let him down before he does his best, so may be being generous.

    I can't comment on organisational skills but generally this is something players grow into and it doesn't necessarily need to be just on the fullback.....IMO.
    For example Papy is not yet at Slater levels but the Storm manage because they all seem to step up in that regard (especially blokes like Hughes and Munster).
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue May 18, 2021 10:28 am

    Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    I disagree on positioning & awareness - but I am often taking into account the 12 other blokes who have let him down before he does his best, so may be being generous.

    I can't comment on organisational skills but generally this is something players grow into and it doesn't necessarily need to be just on the fullback.....IMO.
    For example Papy is not yet at Slater levels but the Storm manage because they all seem to step up in that regard (especially blokes like Hughes and Munster).

    From the outside looking in it's hard to truely determine if the fullback or outside men are in the wrong. We see plenty of times where Broncos will number up with 4,5,6 defenders on a short side against 3 or 4 attackers. But without understanding the defensive structures Isaako might be calling the players to the open side only for them to ignore him and go blind side. This tends to tie in with the outside men shuffling like deck chairs on the titanic since round 1.

    For all the hate they get, Boyd and McCullough did a lot of the defensive organisation so it makes sense that the defense looks like shit without them

    As a rugby league fan, if your defensive structures are constantly failing regardless of who the outside men are it might be time to change the fullback
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    Post by Mulvy Tue May 18, 2021 10:30 am

    robelgordo wrote:

    Honestly reckon Cleary rates May more than all of them, but prefers him in that very specific bench role over 80 min centre
    Agreed.  Cleary uses the 14 jersey as a weapon,  specialist position. His whole bench really.  Rather than his weakest 14-17.
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    Post by Mulvy Tue May 18, 2021 10:34 am

    robelgordo wrote:

    If you have Bird and Peachey I wouldn't be worrying too much about whether your 3rd centre plays R13/17. I think I'd lean toward option 3 as well.
    Thanks.  Before the analysis I was leaning toward option one.  Now leaning toward option 3.
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue May 18, 2021 10:39 am

    Mulvy wrote:
    Agreed.  Cleary uses the 14 jersey as a weapon,  specialist position. His whole bench really.  Rather than his weakest 14-17.

    Look at how the current top 5 uses their bench. No surprise the top of the ladder uses their bench to improve the side while those at the bottom use it as an after thought

    Panthers - May can come on as ball playing middle, but also hold his own in outside backs or halves if there is an injury. Has spent plenty of time filling in at hooker. Fill out the bench with explosive middles that play short bursts to compliment the big minute guys like JFH and Yeo. Martin is a rep quality edge that would start for most clubs. Leniu probably leads the comp in play the balls directly before tries because of how he skittles defenders. Eisenhuth is capable of filling a big minute role if JFH/Yeo go down.

    Eels - Papali'i at the start of the year was just about the most damaging forward in the comp off the bench. Kaufusi is in better form than both RCG and Paulo with his direct running. Cartwright coming onto the edge and causing havoc.

    Storm - Grant/Smith, NAS/Kamikamica and Finucane are all rep quality players that are used after the softening up period. Almost impossible to stop NAS getting a quick play the ball when he is fresh.

    Rabbitohs - Arrow is another rep quality middle forward that gets a run off the bench. Paired with Nicholls in career best form it's no surprise Souths carry momentum through well after half time.

    Roosters - At full strength one or both of Tauk/JWH starts off the bench. Speed power and footwork coming on late in the half is devastating. Butcher probably starts at most other clubs
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    Post by Liverpool_Bulldog Tue May 18, 2021 10:40 am

    Mulvy wrote:
    Thanks.  Before the analysis I was leaning toward option one.  Now leaning toward option 3.
    This has all peaked my interest in Manu. I have 0 centres this week though

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