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    Post by Honey Badger Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:06 pm

    Aardvark wrote:I'm getting old and may have suffered some grey matter degradation, or maybe the new rules have altered this, but if someone is playing second row and has 2RF/CTR Dual you should be playing them in CTR in your NRLF team......at least until they have proven that they are an elite 2RF scorer and even then...

    Im with you here, but im getting old too. I cant get my head around playing a 2RF/CTR at 2RF knowing I could be playing him at CTR
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    Post by my tv broke Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:15 pm

    Honey Badger wrote:

    Im with you here, but im getting old too. I cant get my head around playing a 2RF/CTR at 2RF knowing I could be playing him at CTR

    Haha i agree. The theory is fine, ie there are more than two centres scoring well enough to play.. but the reality is, there wont be

    You could cover all bases maybe (burton + aitken + bird) and just shed the one who scores the worst after a couple of weeks
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    Post by Bethany_B Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:18 pm

    Honey Badger wrote:

    Im with you here, but im getting old too. I cant get my head around playing a 2RF/CTR at 2RF knowing I could be playing him at CTR

    Honestly I think it's the opposite now, load up on cheap centres (since there's plenty of them) and put your duals at EDG, so that then as the cheapies all mature, you can move the duals down to centre.

    If there was lots of EDG cheapies and no CTR cheapies, then it'd be the old meta.
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    Post by Camo123 Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:19 pm

    All I know at this stage is I won't be picking Gosiewski in my EDG this year Laughing
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    Post by my tv broke Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:27 pm

    Camo123 wrote:All I know at this stage is I won't be picking Gosiewski in my EDG this year Laughing

    Something will happen in the next two weeks to make Gosi slide into a starting spot round 1 lol
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    Post by Aardvark Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:31 pm

    Camo123 wrote:All I know at this stage is I won't be picking Gosiewski in my EDG this year Laughing

    After grudge picking Croker last year, I'm always prepared to suspend my cynicism...Gos may be a bridge too far however
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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:54 pm

    I was just about the write an addendum to MattNZs CTR analysis, demonstrating why the scoff about Waqa Blake was misguided but then I worked out that I was wrong and I was in fact being (a) dope.

    I am still looking forward to his sublime improvement as a real-life player this year but as a fantasy option, he is not much chop. Crichton really is a no-brainer





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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:58 pm

    Camo123 wrote:All I know at this stage is I won't be picking Gosiewski in my EDG this year Laughing
    He he! Anyone keen on Stimson?. I remember him being hot property this time last year. Only 240 k?
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    Post by luckynumber8 Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:59 pm

    Well Hello there. Checking in for the first time this year.

    Where do I start?
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    Post by Pookus McFly Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:03 pm

    Good post on centres mattnz, great read.

    Personally I still think im still just going to run Burton and Aitken at centre and save myself the stress. I can certainly see the value in Crichton thanks to fanhub fuckery but I would be shooting darts guessing which of those centres averages 30 and which 40 and I will absolutely, 100% pick the wrong ones whichever way I go, so I will likely just avoid them all and sleep like a baby. Admittedly, Paulo may interest me if he gets dual. I will give recognition to the strategy of loading the CTR guns into your 2RF to roll the dice on some cheapies, but mainly I just wont be stacking my team with centres because I don’t want to feel sick every time I open the app Vomit

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    Post by The Bludger#2 Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:24 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    I have the same number, including Kei / Tupou if one of them gets the role in emergencies.

    Some analysis of value available at CTR and EDG.

    Potential value in CTR:

    CTR Keeper - Burton (HLF)

    <$370k
    Kei / Tupou - ideal for EMG at $220k
    Penisini
    Paulo (WFB) - if he starts round 1 at CTR
    May
    Crichton (WFB)
    Suaalii (WFB)
    Berry (WFB)
    Cotric (WFB)

    Potential value Dual CTR/EDG:
    CTR Keeper - Bird (EDG)
    Aitken (EDG) (Maybe a Keeper, only if all season at EDG)

    <$370k
    Tago (EDG)

    Potential value EDG
    EDG Keeper potential - TPJ (MID)

    $370k - $550k potential value EDG - Means paying a lot that you cant use elsewhere and arent getting a Keeper at this price point
    Capewell
    Martin
    Graham - significant risk if he has another HIA
    Fermor
    Gilbert (MID)
    Luki - If he gets starting EDG
    *RFM - sounds like he misses a couple of rounds and may be eased back in. Chance that he doesnt recover from injury
    Lawton (HOK) - if he gets starting EDG

    <$370k EDG value
    Bullemor (MID) - If he gets starting EDG
    Nanai - If he gets starting EDG
    Davey - If he gets starting EDG or benched in EMG

    There is a lot of uncertainty around cheaper EDG players. You are generally having to go to within $80k of Bird and Aitken to get a non-dual who should keep his spot, but won't be a Keeper (and likely minimal upside for Capewell, Martin, Fermor). Gilbert stands out, as a dual MID with significant upside, as would Bullemor if starting EDG, but I would be playing both at MID in probably the hardest position to fill with playable value.

    Lots of good value options at CTR < $370k, including a number that can be played at EDG and WFB. When most are short on cash after paying for Cleary, reduced cap and trying to have some kind of depth it is much easier to move one of Tago / Aitken / Bird into slots 14-17 and potentially another one in starting EDG, to get a keeper and still pick up of lots of the value offered at CTR, especially when so many of them are also Duals, which will be really important for depth cover this year.

    I think one of the up and coming < $370k CTRs will prove to be the next Best / Ramien / Manu / Staggs / Lomax that can hit a 45+ average this season, you won't want to miss them, but I can't tell you yet who it will be. If I had to rank them by most likely, I would say:
    1. Tago - could end up starting EDG if Martin or Kikau get suspended or injured
    2. Paulo - Left center for Souths, sky is the limit. Gagai averaged 49 there last year.
    3. Suaalii - Morris was averaging 62 on that wing last season
    4. Penisini - In limited games appears to have a decent floor without a try.
    Great analysis Mattnz.
    My centres are currently:
    Burton (obvious)
    Bird 
    Penisini
    Paulo (assuming Rd.1 DPP)
    Tago (Edge reserve)
    Crichton

    Aitken - just too much $ for a player whose role is not set.
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    Post by mattnz Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:27 pm

    The Bludger#2 wrote:
    Great analysis Mattnz.
    My centres are currently:
    Burton (obvious)
    Bird 
    Penisini
    Paulo (assuming Rd.1 DPP)
    Tago (Edge reserve)
    Crichton

    Aitken - just too much $ for a player whose role is not set.

    Mine are almost identical, just have Kei / Tupou instead of Crichton.
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    Post by mattnz Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:35 pm

    Everyone may want to keep $80k to switch their $350k center that shit the bed in round 1 to upgrade to the $350k one that you should have selected that scored 80.
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    Post by Camo123 Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:40 pm

    my tv broke wrote:

    Something will happen in the next two weeks to make Gosi slide into a starting spot round 1 lol

    I’m waiting for Hook to start Fuimaono at lock again out of complete nowhere
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:43 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    Mine are almost identical, just have Kei / Tupou instead of Crichton.

    Please don't make Crichton your 2022 Brailey. Just take the 150k on offer and be done with it
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    Post by rhinoceroo Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:45 pm

    mattnz wrote:Everyone may want to keep $80k to switch their $350k center that shit the bed in round 1 to upgrade to the $350k one that you should have selected that scored 80.

    Ditto your 300-330k wingers. Keeping cash back to jump on the low BE shooters early is another reason to start Clearyless, of course (gonna end up talking myself into this and looking a dope)
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    Post by my tv broke Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:54 pm

    Tesi Niu hamstring at training today, likely 5-6 weeks out. It sounds like Mead may be the stop gap
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    Post by mattnz Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:00 pm

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    Please don't make Crichton your 2022 Brailey. Just take the 150k on offer and be done with it

    Crichton is a known quantity. Is around $80k-100k undervalued, needs to play center every week, instead of being moved to wing and fullback and score lots of tries at center to get that value.

    He is very unlikely to be the guy that is going to be the undervalued 45+ average center this season. The guys that I am selecting have a chance to be that, with significantly more upside potential.
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    Post by my tv broke Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:03 pm

    The main benefit to Crichton is the team he plays for, but i agree, he isnt going to be a great scorer.

    Almost every other cheap options wont be either, so hes a safe ish bet at least.

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