NRL Supercoach 2022

wolfking wrote:I'm doing Supercoach this year for the first time for a buy in league.  I know the points scoring is different but should I set it up similar to fantasy?  Are there must haves in this format different to fantasy?

Cheers for any advice lads.

I'm certainly no expert, not even close to it... but for me, I find, in general, the same best guys are the same in Fantasy and SC. You can squeeze a bit more into your SC side, though. One of the main things I've picked up through the last couple of years is to not go light on your fullbacks. Get two guns there, and concentrate on cheapies elsewhere.

Anyway, sorry, got no real good advice that I can think of that varies greatly to how you'd approach Fantasy. Just make sure you read the guidelines and understand how price rises work etc. Lots of points in tries too, so load up on those try scorers.

Thanks Teeth, that's a big help.

wolfking wrote:Thanks Teeth, that's a big help.

Yea as teeth said, don't go light on fullback. Most will run a combo of Teddy/Turbo/Pap.

This site is good for reference as newbie.
The content guys revealed their teams last night, just to give you an idea.
https://www.nrlsupercoachtalk.com/

I just signed up too since it turns out my mates aren't doing NRLF this season. Oof. Better late than never

Captain turbo let’s go

Clack Bocks wrote:Captain turbo let’s go

Good luck, cob. I actually have very little fantasy interest across all formats in this game tonight, but I am so immensely keen to see what Turbo does for all those that took the plunge. Can't wait.

This is me. GL all

Mahoney (C) (Randall)
Haas, Uto (JTB, King)
Fifita, Angus, Aitken (Luki, Tuilagi, B Turbo)
Keary, Mann (Schneider, Ilias)
Fermor, Staggs, Penisini, B Smith (Tago, Amone, Vailea)
Teddy (VC) (Papy)

Turbo out gives me my Cleary fund

Clack Bocks wrote:Turbo out gives me my Cleary fund

Thanks hynes for putting your hand up

999 for me pending the last game's updates, pretty stoked with that. Won all 7 of my H2Hs, and started the round ranked 44k, should gain a lot of ranks there.

I'm pretty sure I know what my trades will be:

Angus, S Walker and Bullemor out for Grant (moving Watson to 2RF), Hynes and Leo Thompson (moving Tapine to 2RF).

Leaves me with $86k bank and the following side:

Grant, Randall
Haas, J King, M King, Thompson
Fifita, Tuponiua,Tapine, Watson, E Katoa, Tuilagi
Hynes, Schneider
D Brown, Ilias
Coates, Tago, Penisini, Amone, B Smith, Russell, Vailea
Teddy, Papy

Sorry in advance for the dumb questions;

But...

Can anyone give me a basic run down on values.
i.e. What's a SC equivalent of the Magic Number - how many $ per average point.

What's a gun average / price
What's a middie average / price? (i.e. when is it more of a middie then a cow)

What's a good weekly score?

I haven't spent much time looking closely at SC - but geez I find the balance a challenge - it's weird not being able to move DPP players around as well

Thanks

I don't really follow SC as closely, and no doubt there are other sites out there that are more timely and accurate with their stats, and I'm sure there are places you can go to get BEs every week.

But just had a look for myself. initial pricing was done on a Magic Number of 8767

Rounds 1 and 2 had MNs of 9713 and 9562 respectively.

Using 9200 as a MN I get the following BEs.
Like fantasy I expect it to get lower as the season progresses, and will plateau at some point



Also and excel/SC whinge. When put into Excel the position of 5/8 becomes 5th August and it drives me nuts

Wow, Tom Trbojevic has a Supercoach BE of over 300

Just checked https://www.nrlsupercoachstats.com/TeamPricesAndBEs.php and they lineup with my calcs

Makes Teddy's 132 BE look positively achievable

Milchcow wrote:
Also and excel/SC whinge. When put into Excel the position of 5/8 becomes 5th August and it drives me nuts

Yeah, right?!

I should be scripting all my fantasy stuff, but never get enough time so default back to the trusty spreadsheet - date conversion is madness inducing

Thanks BTW

Milchcow wrote:
Wow, Tom Trbojevic has a Supercoach BE of over 300

Just checked https://www.nrlsupercoachstats.com/TeamPricesAndBEs.php and they lineup with my calcs

Makes Teddy's 132 BE look positively achievable

So is the BE formula pretty similar to NRL Classic?

I finally found a page with last years stats and had just worked out the MN (which is the same as yours, so I guess I figured it out) - I'm not finding the SC panel very intuitive

Anyway, if it's helpful to anyone else, I'm viewing player groupings like this:
Keepers - $610k+ (average over 70)
"Subguns" - $480-609k+ (average between 55 & 70)
Middies - $350-479k+ (average between 40 & 55)
Cows - $175-349k (average under 40, with the floor being a 20 point average)

Fantasy has a 5 game weighted average for price changes (more recent games are worth more than older games)

75% old price + 25% 5 game weighted average

Supercoach and Sportsdeck use a 3 game average (both use same formula, but with different scores and Magic Numbers)

75% old price + 25% 3 game average

So a big score in Fantasy will impact price change for 4 more weeks after it happens, getting slightly less relevant every week.

A big score in SC will impact the price for 2 more weeks after it happens, and will have the same impact for as long as it is in the 3 game average. Makes SC prices a little more volatile than Fantasy, especially for players with wildly variable scoring

Milchcow wrote:
Fantasy has a 5 game weighted average for price changes (more recent games are worth more than older games)

75% old price + 25% 5 game weighted average

Supercoach and Sportsdeck use a 3 game average (both use same formula, but with different scores and Magic Numbers)

75% old price + 25% 3 game average

So a big score in Fantasy will impact price change for 4 more weeks after it happens, getting slightly less relevant every week.

A big score in SC will impact the price for 2 more weeks after it happens, and will have the same impact for as long as it is in the 3 game average. Makes SC prices a little more volatile than Fantasy, especially for players with wildly variable scoring

Thanks, Milch

That's great to know.

So I have the fantasy formula down, and understand the 5 game weighted average i.e. (G1*5 + G2*4 + G3*3 + G4*2 + G5*1)/15 where G1 is the most recent game.

So with Supercoach there's no weighting at all? and no price change till after R3 is complete.
So I guess any scores from R1 essentially only contribute to one price change? and in R4 they've already dropped off

easytiger wrote:

Thanks, Milch

That's great to know.

So I have the fantasy formula down, and understand the 5 game weighted average i.e. (G1*5 + G2*4 + G3*3 + G4*2 + G5*1)/15 where G1 is the most recent game.

So with Supercoach there's no weighting at all? and no price change till after R3 is complete.
So I guess any scores from R1 essentially only contribute to one price change? and in R4 they've already dropped off

Yep that's correct.

And to be explicit on SC price changes, its after 3 games for that player, not just 3 NRL rounds. People who missed R1 or R2 won't change price this week. (So you can wait a week on Harry Grant as one example)

easytiger wrote:Sorry in advance for the dumb questions;

But...

Can anyone give me a basic run down on values.
i.e. What's a SC equivalent of the Magic Number - how many $ per average point.

What's a gun average / price
What's a middie average / price? (i.e. when is it more of a middie then a cow)

What's a good weekly score?

I haven't spent much time looking closely at SC - but geez I find the balance a challenge - it's weird not being able to move DPP players around as well

Thanks

This is from a long time poster on nrlsctalk. They post magic number each week.

The magic number for this week has increased significantly from its starting point for the season. Typically the magic number decreases quite quickly at the start of the season but with much lower scoring this has moved the magic number from its starting point of 8767 to start the season to 9233 this week, a 5% overall change.

To calculate a breakeven, use the following formula.

Breakeven = ( Players salary / Magic Number x 3 ) – last two scores

eg. Tom Trjobevic = ( 1256100 / 9233 x 3 ) – 62 -39 = 307

If the magic number had stayed the same, Turbo’s breakeven would have been 329.