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    NRL Fantasy 2022 Part 3 - Max or Josh?

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    Post by Milchcow Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:39 am

    easytiger wrote:Anyone considering Braden Hamlen-Uele?

    2019 averaged 36.9 in 36.5 mins (1.01PPM)
    2020 averaged 36.7 in 42.8 mins (0.86PPM)
    2021 averaged 28.5 in 39.5 mins (0.72PPM)

    2021 under Josh Morris was 39.2 in 57.2 mins, vs under Josh Hannay 24.7 in 33.2 mins


    No wonder Josh Morris retired. Must have been hard coaching another team whilst also playing for the Roosters
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    Post by Chewie Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:46 am

    mattnz wrote:
    Sexton is less likely to be a season keeper. Burton will almost certainly be a keeper at center.

    I agree, both have similar potential, but Burton has the DPP
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    Post by The Bludger#2 Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:49 am

    Milchcow wrote:
    Just further on Burton

    Dogs start out with easier games against Broncos and Cowboys, then have a tough run of Manly, Storm, Panthers Rabbitohs.

    Few ways you can look at it
    a) If he is underpriced by 10 points , then draw doesn't matter. Barring injury he is unlikely to get cheaper than his starting price.
    b) Draw doesn't matter. He'll get attacking points against crap teams and kicking points against good ones
    c) He will score well, but not well above starting price so you can start with a cheaper cash cow and bring Burton in several rounds in. This would let you get a look at him to see how his role/scoring is at the Dogs.
    d) You just aren't interested in him in any way and look somewhere else (until/unless his scoring proves you wrong)
    For mine the question is:
    a) Do I want to play Centre roulette again - after the carnage of 2021, No. 
    b) Assuming I want to run a set-and-forget option; $600k is a big investment. The choice seems to be either an elite centre (who may have a lean run or blow-up), an Edge DPP, or a Half/DPP. So, its either Burton, who is locked in as the Dogs first choice half, or Aitken/Bird at around the same coin.
    c) My worry is the Black-Widow effect. DPP Edge can be Mr Fix-it and be shifted back out to the backline, whereas Burton should produce more points (on average). 
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    Post by easytiger Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:51 am

    Milchcow wrote:

    No wonder Josh Morris retired. Must have been hard coaching another team whilst also playing for the Roosters

    Touché
    John, Josh, are they really any different bar a solitary letter

    Fair points from the others.
    I'm just desperate to throw my middles under the bus by having two under $400k
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:57 am

    easytiger wrote:

    Touché
    John, Josh, are they really any different bar a solitary letter

    Fair points from the others.
    I'm just desperate to throw my middles under the bus by having two under $400k  

    Need to compare him with Josh King and Bullemor at a lower price point.
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    Post by easytiger Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:58 am

    In terms of Sexton, the stability of that spine worries me:

    1. Campbell (6 NRL games)
    6. Brimson (15 NRL games at 5/8, 58 starts)
    7. Sexton (4 NRL games)
    9. Clark (11 NRL games starting Hooker, 28 overall)
    may split time with Boyd (21 games, 8 in the halves, the rest INT)

    I'm struggling to think of a time with an NRL team started with a more inexperienced spine, and how that went. That's a lot of pressure on a lot of inexperience.
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    Post by easytiger Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:59 am

    mattnz wrote:

    Need to compare him with Josh King and Bullemor at a lower price point.

    Already have them both Shocked just seemingly trying to manufacture another
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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:01 am

    Wondering aloud whether if Papenhuyzen and Keary are both out for a couple of weeks it might be an idea to start with a 5/8th playing Joey Manu instead of Pap (he's WFB/CTR DPP, surprisingly), taking the points/maybe profit and trading after a few rounds?

    Would feel wrong trading out a keeper centre in the first month, but if you start without Pap he still likely has to come in whenever he's back. If I knew it was one week would just start with him anyway, but who knows?
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:04 am

    easytiger wrote:

    Already have them both Shocked  just seemingly trying to manufacture another

    I am looking at J King, Bullemor, Mann as my starting MIDs, with A Fifita and M King as my back up reserves.
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    Post by Milchcow Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:06 am

    mattnz wrote:

    I am looking at J King, Bullemor, Mann as my starting MIDs, with A Fifita and M King as my back up reserves.

    So potentially a couple rounds into the comp you could have zero mids starting for their team?

    I don't think there is anything wrong individually with any of those picks. But getting them all together and not having any reliable backup seems very risky.
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    Post by Milchcow Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:10 am

    rhinoceroo wrote:Wondering aloud whether if Papenhuyzen and Keary are both out for a couple of weeks it might be an idea to start with a 5/8th playing Joey Manu instead of Pap (he's WFB/CTR DPP, surprisingly), taking the points/maybe profit and trading after a few rounds?

    Would feel wrong trading out a keeper centre in the first month, but if you start without Pap he still likely has to come in whenever he's back. If I knew it was one week would just start with him anyway, but who knows?

    What do you think of his scoring chances at 6? Only 2 games there but base isn't good

    Also would you hold him as a keeper when he moved back to the centres, or trade him to Pappy/Burton.Burd/whoever
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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:15 am

    mattnz wrote:

    I am looking at J King, Bullemor, Mann as my starting MIDs, with A Fifita and M King as my back up reserves.

    To get the thread back on its stated King vs King topic, not sure I see it with Josh King, who'll be (at best) Melbourne's fifth mid when the other four mids are absolute guns (well, three guns and a veteran Jesse Bromwich, who's still a very handy real-life player).
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    Post by Hannah2 Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:19 am

    rhinoceroo wrote:Wondering aloud whether if Papenhuyzen and Keary are both out for a couple of weeks it might be an idea to start with a 5/8th playing Joey Manu instead of Pap (he's WFB/CTR DPP, surprisingly), taking the points/maybe profit and trading after a few rounds?

    Would feel wrong trading out a keeper centre in the first month, but if you start without Pap he still likely has to come in whenever he's back. If I knew it was one week would just start with him anyway, but who knows?

    I read a comment from Bellamy that he's playing with the idea of Munster filling in FB, so that indicates to me that Pap is in doubt for a few weeks.
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:25 am

    mattnz wrote:

    I am looking at J King, Bullemor, Mann as my starting MIDs, with A Fifita and M King as my back up reserves.

    I tend to go where the value is available. There seem to be a number of cheap MIDs that have a decent chance of getting reasonable scores this season, when opportunities arise in their teams, that could replace any of these guys if they are out for any reason:
    Moale
    Moeroa
    Ese Ese
    Momoisea
    Leniu

    One of these guys will likely have an opportunity when another disappears. Cheap MIDs seems to be a reasonable team structure this season. Not seeing many guys in other positions at the moment that can fill reserves bench at $240k with the ability to put up 30s each week and there is a real lack of value in the mid range MIDs.

    If Cotter starts at lock, he will be in contention as well.

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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:26 am

    Milchcow wrote:

    What do you think of his scoring chances at 6? Only 2 games there but base isn't good

    Also would you hold him as a keeper when he moved back to the centres, or trade him to Pappy/Burton.Burd/whoever

    Yeah, that's the question... would be looking to trade him to Papy but yes, even if he moves back to centres he'll be posting keeper scores there so doesn't make a lot of sense. Papy could have 10 points of value though, so...

    On his scoring at 5/8th it's more gut feel and eye test. Two games there last year (one getting smashed by the Panthers) but - the stats won't show this - there were also quite a few times he switched to 5/8th mid-game last season when Roosters halves got injured. That seemed to happen a lot. Anyway, he looked a total natural there to the degree that I genuinely reckon he'd be one of the best three 5/8ths in the league (unfortunately for him, one of the top two is Keary). Doesn't necessarily translate to fantasy, but he's a skilful ballhog who'll go looking for action both sides of the ruck and that would be the punt.

    Couldn't swear to the reliability but I have heard that Keary could be out for a few weeks. No idea about Pap.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:30 am

    Hannah2 wrote:

    I read a comment from Bellamy that he's playing with the idea of Munster filling in FB, so that indicates to me that Pap is in doubt for a few weeks.

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    Post by B/L Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:48 am

    If someone is going to average 50 off the bench you dont want to lessen their impact by giving them a starting gig.
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:57 am

    easytiger wrote:In terms of Sexton, the stability of that spine worries me:

    1. Campbell (6 NRL games)
    6. Brimson (15 NRL games at 5/8, 58 starts)
    7. Sexton (4 NRL games)
    9. Clark (11 NRL games starting Hooker, 28 overall)
    may split time with Boyd (21 games, 8 in the halves, the rest INT)

    I'm struggling to think of a time with an NRL team started with a more inexperienced spine, and how that went. That's a lot of pressure on a lot of inexperience.

    Screams bottom 4 team to me. I still think at worst Sexton scores at his price and plays the first bye
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