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    NRL Fantasy 2022 Part 20 - Tear your team apart for Cleary

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    Post by Iron Mike Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:17 pm

    ytsb wrote:I think one thing we need to be wary of is bias stemming from optimism. I am one of the worst for it. A recurring theme throughout my seasons is being willing to go without cover (oh just one more week without cover won't hurt, look at this new shiny cow I absolutely must get in!). As a result, last season I played with 13 one round, and the season before 14, when one of those injury-rich rounds occured. This has been addressed this year by putting cover over cash generation (i.e. having BSmith and XCoates). I also have no issue with playing "cashies" who should be locked away in the 18-21 as starters. This is something I am still doing this season.

    It is interesting to see the Cleary bias this time around. "ohh i'll just wait a couple weeks and Cleary will likely drop some cash, won't be a problem". He was the best scorer by a mile last season, and with the addition of Captain points it seems that even if he does drop to 950k, that 100k price drop is still going to net you plenty of points over the 3 rounds or so it'll take him to get there. On the flip side, people are trading in Cleary with minimal consideration that games seem to be slower as a whole with a bunch of nerfs affecting players that love a fast-paced game to build momentum and score plenty of points (best example of this is Turbo).

    Personally? I'm trading in Cleary, I just think it's interesting seeing a lot of bias come to the fore when we discuss players.

    If you asked me before R1 where I'd be ranked right now, I'd tell you I think my team has plenty of upside and I would be at minimum in the top 1k. I'm ranked 16k. It's so hard to make objective decisions and of course anybody you ask who has their mind set on a certain trade or a strategy will swear black and blue and mention a bunch of statistics to support their ideas, but very infrequently does a plan come to fruition to the degree imagined.

    I am starting to realise that keeping it simple stupid is often a great strategy. Don't overthink things, just fucking do it.

    Sorry for the wanky post, I've got Covid and bored shitless.

    Not a wanky post, just not sure on your meaning of bias in your post. Yes, people are often blinded by what they already think and can use stats to justify anything to make their decision.
    I didn't know what all the fuss about Leo Thompson was last week, and also usually become very stubborn in not picking up players like Tago (and Lomax in prior season). Ended up biting the bullet and going Ilias + Bullemor to Thompson and Tago, so thanks to the forum on helping me to see another viewpoint.

    My thoughts on Cleary is that shoulder surgery is a big deal, so is no trials, so is coming in round 4 when all other players have played 3 rounds.
    Yes, he will probably average the most out of everyone come seasons end, but I do feel there is a chance he could start slow.
    With Hynes and Haas as captaincy options, I'm willing to buy on points per $ whilst the season is still young. Prioritising cash cows before Cleary.
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    Post by mattnz Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:22 pm

    Gun fullback Jayden Campbell will reportedly miss the clash after suffering a rib injury last week, opening the door for Jamayne Isaako to make his club debut at fullback.

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    Post by Aardvark Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:23 pm

    ytsb wrote:I think one thing we need to be wary of is bias stemming from optimism. I am one of the worst for it. A recurring theme throughout my seasons is being willing to go without cover (oh just one more week without cover won't hurt, look at this new shiny cow I absolutely must get in!). As a result, last season I played with 13 one round, and the season before 14, when one of those injury-rich rounds occured. This has been addressed this year by putting cover over cash generation (i.e. having BSmith and XCoates). I also have no issue with playing "cashies" who should be locked away in the 18-21 as starters. This is something I am still doing this season.

    It is interesting to see the Cleary bias this time around. "ohh i'll just wait a couple weeks and Cleary will likely drop some cash, won't be a problem". He was the best scorer by a mile last season, and with the addition of Captain points it seems that even if he does drop to 950k, that 100k price drop is still going to net you plenty of points over the 3 rounds or so it'll take him to get there. On the flip side, people are trading in Cleary with minimal consideration that games seem to be slower as a whole with a bunch of nerfs affecting players that love a fast-paced game to build momentum and score plenty of points (best example of this is Turbo).

    Personally? I'm trading in Cleary, I just think it's interesting seeing a lot of bias come to the fore when we discuss players.

    If you asked me before R1 where I'd be ranked right now, I'd tell you I think my team has plenty of upside and I would be at minimum in the top 1k. I'm ranked 16k. It's so hard to make objective decisions and of course anybody you ask who has their mind set on a certain trade or a strategy will swear black and blue and mention a bunch of statistics to support their ideas, but very infrequently does a plan come to fruition to the degree imagined.

    I am starting to realise that keeping it simple stupid is often a great strategy. Don't overthink things, just fucking do it.

    Sorry for the wanky post, I've got Covid and bored shitless.

    Good post...I am often conservative/pessimistic which can itself actually be a form of optimism ('he can't keep it up' or 'he is priced too high') where you wait too long to make a move...Ipap last year where I picked up the trend in rd 2 but didn't move on it because he had no pedigree.

    I have always been mad keen on cover though, mainly because I hate having to use a trade on a player I don't actually want just because I need to play 17. I think it should always be a consideration when jumping on the latest shiny thing...'what does this do to the make up of my team'

    You can blow a lot of trades and cash jumping from 'sure thing' to 'sure thing' in the front half of the season and those trades would be better used over the byes or in the run home...often one impulsive trade ends up costing you another couple down the track when someone you rely on in your 17 is dropped after a couple of weeks.

    I am also getting Cleary.....I decided that when both Angus and Reed had pretty ordinary second rounds and put in the groundwork last week.

    Blah Blah blah...how is that going for you this year Aardvark? It's going :poop: thank you very much Laughing
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:24 pm

    Ramitinmyhaaas wrote:For those hopping on Jones if he starts, would also need to see how the judiciary thing goes with Barnett tonight. Would be thinking 4 weeks minimum, personally I reckon 5-6 weeks so Jones should have good JS if so.

    Grade 3 dangerous contact is 3 weeks, so has to be 4 weeks minimum I'd think. It should probably be half a season. It was a cheap shot, off the ball, which a guy didn't see coming. You could argue it was assault tbh.
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    Post by ytsb Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:26 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:

    Not a wanky post, just not sure on your meaning of bias in your post. Yes, people are often blinded by what they already think and can use stats to justify anything to make their decision.
    I didn't know what all the fuss about Leo Thompson was last week, and also usually become very stubborn in not picking up players like Tago (and Lomax in prior season). Ended up biting the bullet and going Ilias + Bullemor to Thompson and Tago, so thanks to the forum on helping me to see another viewpoint.

    My thoughts on Cleary is that shoulder surgery is a big deal, so is no trials, so is coming in round 4 when all other players have played 3 rounds.
    Yes, he will probably average the most out of everyone come seasons end, but I do feel there is a chance he could start slow.
    With Hynes and Haas as captaincy options, I'm willing to buy on points per $ whilst the season is still young. Prioritising cash cows before Cleary.

    I am talking about our tendencies to overestimate the likelihood of things going well for us, and underestimating the likelihood of things going awry. I don't think it's a no-brainer to bring in Cleary, there's so much risk and uncertainty bringing him in for his first game in the grand final rematch. In fact, if I wasn't already behind the 8 ball I think the best play is indeed to wait a week.
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    Post by ytsb Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:26 pm

    mattnz wrote:Gun fullback Jayden Campbell will reportedly miss the clash after suffering a rib injury last week, opening the door for Jamayne Isaako to make his club debut at fullback.

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    Holy shit I'm dropping a grand on Fifita to score a hattrick
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    Post by wolfking Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:27 pm

    robelgordo wrote:

    Get Tuilagi back this week

    I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind......
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    Post by ytsb Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:28 pm

    Aardvark wrote:

    Good post...I am often conservative/pessimistic which can itself actually be a form of optimism ('he can't keep it up' or 'he is priced too high') where you wait too long to make a move...Ipap last year where I picked up the trend in rd 2 but didn't move on it because he had no pedigree.

    I have always been mad keen on cover though, mainly because I hate having to use a trade on a player I don't actually want just because I need to play 17. I think it should always be a consideration when jumping on the latest shiny thing...'what does this do to the make up of my team'

    You can blow a lot of trades and cash jumping from 'sure thing' to 'sure thing' in the front half of the season and those trades would be better used over the byes or in the run home...often one impulsive trade ends up costing you another couple down the track when someone you rely on in your 17 is dropped after a couple of weeks.

    I am also getting Cleary.....I decided that when both Angus and Reed had pretty ordinary second rounds and put in the groundwork last week.

    Blah Blah blah...how is that going for you this year Aardvark? It's going  :poop: thank you very much  Laughing

    Mate how good is starting with sure-thing guns like Crichton and Mahoney? Our decision to bring in Cleary has been made for us, only way to use all the cash from those flops
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    Post by my tv broke Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:28 pm

    imagine thinking isaako can pass
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:29 pm

    Aardvark wrote:

    Good post...I am often conservative/pessimistic which can itself actually be a form of optimism ('he can't keep it up' or 'he is priced too high') where you wait too long to make a move...Ipap last year where I picked up the trend in rd 2 but didn't move on it because he had no pedigree.

    I have always been mad keen on cover though, mainly because I hate having to use a trade on a player I don't actually want just because I need to play 17. I think it should always be a consideration when jumping on the latest shiny thing...'what does this do to the make up of my team'

    You can blow a lot of trades and cash jumping from 'sure thing' to 'sure thing' in the front half of the season and those trades would be better used over the byes or in the run home...often one impulsive trade ends up costing you another couple down the track when someone you rely on in your 17 is dropped after a couple of weeks.

    I am also getting Cleary.....I decided that when both Angus and Reed had pretty ordinary second rounds and put in the groundwork last week.

    Blah Blah blah...how is that going for you this year Aardvark? It's going  :poop: thank you very much  Laughing

    I'm leaning towards getting Cleary this week because of the captain double points thing and him being an upgrade on anyone. The trade-off for me is going to be having Bully bleed cash and Leniu/Ilias/Vailea stuck in EMGs making no cash. In the ideal world you'd be hopping off at least 1, if not 2, but none of those 4 are going to bridge the price gap for me.
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    Post by wolfking Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:29 pm

    my tv broke wrote:imagine thinking isaako can pass

    Yeah lol, how does this help Fifita?
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    Post by Aardvark Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:29 pm

    ytsb wrote:

    Mate how good is starting with sure-thing guns like Crichton and Mahoney? Our decision to bring in Cleary has been made for us, only way to use all the cash from those flops

    It's not even a decision Laughing
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:30 pm

    wolfking wrote:

    I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind......

    In all seriousness, I've thought of getting him back if he starts (for Bully).

    Picked the wrong coin goat to sell.
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    Post by ytsb Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:30 pm

    my tv broke wrote:imagine thinking isaako can pass

    isaako to make two line breaks and drop the ball cold before the line both times is paying $1.10 on Sportsbet
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    Post by mattnz Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:30 pm

    my tv broke wrote:imagine thinking isaako can pass
    Any passing is better than none.
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:33 pm

    my tv broke wrote:imagine thinking isaako can pass

    lol was waiting for this from you

    He looks pretty clueless most of the time. I guess he will straighten up their attack compared to Jayden Campbell - but anyone except a literal circle would do that. Otherwise can't see the Broncos 2nd choice FB after 1.5 weeks training as the 2nd choice FB at a new club suddenly unleashing Fifita.

    But you know it was only a week ago that people thought he could displace Gutho if the Eels grabbed him...

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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:37 pm

    Round 2: No trades
    Round 3: Angus + Vailea to Tago + Starling
    Round 4: Mahoney + Bully out. TBC who comes in.
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:38 pm

    Actual footage of Jayden Campbell approaching the defensive line:
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    Post by Aardvark Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:40 pm

    robelgordo wrote:

    I'm leaning towards getting Cleary this week because of the captain double points thing and him being an upgrade on anyone. The trade-off for me is going to be having Bully bleed cash and Leniu/Ilias/Vailea stuck in EMGs making no cash. In the ideal world you'd be hopping off at least 1, if not 2, but none of those 4 are going to bridge the price gap for me.

    Same rationale for Cleary and TBH I don't give a flying one if he drops some cash over the next few weeks...the opportunity cost there is the points I forfeit by holding Mahoney (thats the theory anyway) ...I need a bit of stability for the C

    Slightly better situation for me in that I can ditch Bully as well....although i'd love a cheap starting MID who isn't Lenui to pop up

    I am happy to hold everyone else in my emergencies until a better option comes along....they may generate cash slower but they are all playing (at this stage  Sad )


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    AJ is by far a better FB than Preston's boy

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