NRL Fantasy 2023 Part 1 - Just open up already

GarethEllisismyDad wrote:1st draft - of many many revisions to come, but I'm happy to have things ive overlooked crowd sourced and to get the discussion going further

Hooker - robson
mid, cotter, b.smith, tapine
edg, garner, gilbert.
hlf, cleary, hynes
ctr , HTF, Thompson (souths)
wfb, T.Martin, walsh, ponga,

Extended squad
Howarth edg,
katoa, hlf
sloan, wfb
s.luke, hok
blore, edg
mooney, mid
naden, wfb/ctr
alamoti, ctr

61k$ burning a hole

I know there are lots of written and unwritten rules I’ve almost certainly contravened so feel free to point them out

These comments are structural rather than about the individual players (who may or may not make TLT), but you have far, far too many min-price players. You'll be spending the first two months working out how to get half of them out of your squad with minimal if any profits, which will both ruin your cash gen *and* hamstring your ability to get in the mid-price cows who reveal themselves over the first month. On top of that, you'll need to play at least four and (given byes/injuries/suspensions) probably five or six every week for god knows what score.

This season I think your bench needs to be deeper not shallower. Build with four min-price cows, five at the outside, three if conservative, and a couple of them need to be near guarantee moneymakers like Schneider last year. You can always trade down in the early weeks to a $240k cow you've missed, trading out a failed cow is more difficult. Multiple failed ones is impossible. And you can't have dead spots.

rhinoceroo wrote:

These comments are structural rather than about the individual players (who may or may not make TLT), but you have far, far too many min-price players. You'll be spending the first two months working out how to get half of them out of your squad with minimal if any profits, which will both ruin your cash gen *and* hamstring your ability to get in the mid-price cows who reveal themselves over the first month. On top of that, you'll need to play at least four and (given byes/injuries/suspensions) probably five or six every week for god knows what score.

This season I think your bench needs to be deeper not shallower. Build with four min-price cows, five at the outside, three if conservative, and a couple of them need to be near guarantee moneymakers like Schneider last year. You can always trade down in the early weeks to a $240k cow you've missed, trading out a failed cow is more difficult. Multiple failed ones is impossible. And you can't have dead spots.

Danke! These are the things I forgotten

Squad depth is gonna be a very unique problem with all the byes

GarethEllisismyDad wrote:

Danke! These are the things I forgotten

Also, this doesnt appear to be an issue in your squad, but it will be very hard to play with more than maybe 2 players from the same team, as having 3 or 4 from the same team in a bye week could really impact heavily, if you are unlucky with other injuries and suspensions at the same time.

mattnz wrote:

Also, this doesnt appear to be an issue in your squad, but it will be very hard to play with more than maybe 2 players from the same team, as having 3 or 4 from the same team in a bye week could really impact heavily, if you are unlucky with other injuries and suspensions at the same time.

I agree with this, but think it's still ok to have for example three or four Newcastle players as long as you know that one or two of them are moneymakers who you're sure you'll have traded out before their first bye in Round 10. Same with Parra and Round 14.

What you ideally don't want is more than two *keepers* from any team, and be particularly careful of starting with more than one or two eg. Panthers with the early bye.

Honey Badger wrote:Thoughts on Burton this year? Can he go to the next level and match Cleary and Hynes?
Bulldogs should be better this season and with Kikau now outside him you'd expect them to attack even more down his edge.
Im not 100% convinced about Hastings yet. With Ponga at 6 does he take too much ball away from Hastings? Id be more keen on Hastings if Ponga stays at fullback.

Burton loses a lot of his appeal for me now that he has lost DPP. Was a very up and down scorer so should be able to catch a few lower ones and get him at a discount.

I think whoever the Knights pair with Hastings won't be doing a lot of kicking. Will probably operate similar to Hunt at the Dragons, although I expect less missed tackles. I think I'd prefer Ponga at fullback for Hasting's scoring potential but shouldn't change a lot with Ponga at 6

mattnz wrote:

Both Cleary and Hynes looks like overkill. There are cheaper options that could get gun / near gun level scoring, which should provide value, like Douehi and Hastings.

& Milf

Condolences Rab!

Anyone else taking the Dolphins as their second team this year? Always loved Bennett and love me something new and shiny, so think I'll try catch as many of their games as I can

mattnz wrote:

He will be first to move into the back line for any injuries as well. Really screwed up Mann's scoring last year.

Also its not like the Warriors have any world class ctrs in their squad. On paper the team looks stronger with Niukore at ctr and Barnett starting on an edge

GarethEllisismyDad wrote:anyone doing TPJ this year?

Ha ha there is always the off chance he gets his shit together and becomes a fantasy gun. He doesnt need 80 mins to do this.
If you start with him and he does play to his potential then you've got him and not chasing points. There would be nothing worse than using a trade on him to chase points and then trading him out again after he turns to mud after a couple of weeks.
If you start with him and he turns out to be the same old TPJ then its an easy downgrade to a missed cash cow.

GarethEllisismyDad wrote:1st draft - of many many revisions to come, but I'm happy to have things ive overlooked crowd sourced and to get the discussion going further

Hooker - robson
mid, cotter, b.smith, tapine
edg, garner, gilbert.
hlf, cleary, hynes
ctr , HTF, Thompson (souths)
wfb, T.Martin, walsh, ponga,

Extended squad
Howarth edg,
katoa, hlf
sloan, wfb
s.luke, hok
blore, edg
mooney, mid
naden, wfb/ctr
alamoti, ctr

61k$ burning a hole

I know there are lots of written and unwritten rules I’ve almost certainly contravened so feel free to point them out

as mattnz said having both cleary & hynes means your extended bench is made up of bottom dollar options.

running with this at the moment

Grant
Haas Cotter Elliot
D.Fifi Hopgood
I.Thompson Alamoti/Skelton
Miller CNK T.Martin

Hoskin
B.Smith
AKP
Stone

Howarth
VTW
Blore
Sloan

considering just running Smith at Hooker with no cover though and turning Grant and a 220k guy into 2 500k mid pricers to balance it out. Or 3 400k mid pricers.

obviously ponga will get dpp hlf/wfb so i'm trying him in the hlf position cause he's cheaper than hastings & gives an extra 113k to play with & i have turbo at wfb & when turbo has his bye rd 2 i'll play ponga at wfb now i just need another half to fill in for ponga.

Camo123 wrote:

MID is the position with the most depth this year, there’s 10-15 conceivable options

Guns: Murray, Haas, Tapine, Cotter
Mid Price: Carrigan, Tohu (if return to 2020/21 levels), Barnett, Elliot, Horsburgh, Gilbert, Nelson (if EDG), TPJ/Sutton, BSmith (if not picked at HOK)
Cheaper: JWallace, Hopgood (if DPP on TLT), Makatoa

This didn't get the love it deserved, good post.

There are many slightly undervalued buys in mid - not least because there's lots of new mid positions from a new club.

With the value in JWall, Hopgood, Gilbert, Sutton, BSmith, Horse there is little argument for gunning-up in the mids.

Best case you go Haas/Murray/Trapine/RubenTheGorgeous and gain a 10-15 more points with sod all price growth (because these folks are not your daily C). But even then you're missing out on the still-good points from Gilbert&Collins&co, who will rise in value. And you've missed out on a gun elsewhere (halves? wfb?) where the value is lesser.

It's sad because I wanted to roll with the mulleted energiser bunny from Townsville. But splurging elsewhere (Bird? Teddy?) is the way to go.

White Lightning wrote:obviously ponga will get dpp hlf/wfb so i'm trying him in the hlf position cause he's cheaper than hastings  & gives an extra 113k to play with & i have turbo at wfb & when turbo has his bye rd 2 i'll play ponga at wfb now i just need another half to fill in for ponga.

Do you think Ponga will score well at half?

If Hastings does all the kicking, where will Ponga get his points from? Are the Knights going to be an attacking powerhouse this year with plenty of TAs and TBs for Ponga?

Holzman wrote:running with this at the moment

Grant
Haas Cotter Elliot
D.Fifi Hopgood
I.Thompson Alamoti/Skelton
Miller CNK T.Martin

Hoskin
B.Smith
AKP
Stone

Howarth
VTW
Blore
Sloan

considering just running Smith at Hooker with no cover though and turning Grant and a 220k guy into 2 500k mid pricers to balance it out. Or 3 400k mid pricers.

I wanted to do that as well, but Roosters have the bye in round 3, so you need some HOK cover.

Milchcow wrote:

Do you think Ponga will score well at half?

If Hastings does all the kicking, where will Ponga get his points from? Are the Knights going to be an attacking powerhouse this year with plenty of TAs and TBs for Ponga?

you make a great point

Milchcow wrote:

Do you think Ponga will score well at half?

If Hastings does all the kicking, where will Ponga get his points from? Are the Knights going to be an attacking powerhouse this year with plenty of TAs and TBs for Ponga?

I don't think Hastings will do all the kicking tbh.

L-Jimmy wrote:

This didn't get the love it deserved, good post.

There are many slightly undervalued buys in mid - not least because there's lots of new mid positions from a new club.

With the value in JWall, Hopgood, Gilbert, Sutton, BSmith, Horse there is little argument for gunning-up in the mids.

Best case you go Haas/Murray/Trapine/RubenTheGorgeous and gain a 10-15 more points with sod all price growth (because these folks are not your daily C). But even then you're missing out on the still-good points from Gilbert&Collins&co, who will rise in value. And you've missed out on a gun elsewhere (halves? wfb?) where the value is lesser.

It's sad because I wanted to roll with the mulleted energiser bunny from Townsville. But splurging elsewhere (Bird? Teddy?) is the way to go.

With Cleary having an early bye gun MID are probably best captain options (unless you somehow have Cleary + Hynes and a deep squad) so you at least get value out of captaining in R3

Camo123 wrote:

With Cleary having an early bye gun MID are probably best captain options (unless you somehow have Cleary + Hynes and a deep squad) so you at least get value out of captaining in R3

Doueihi wouldn’t be a bad POD shout as a captain round 3 too.

Milchcow wrote:

Do you think Ponga will score well at half?

If Hastings does all the kicking, where will Ponga get his points from? Are the Knights going to be an attacking powerhouse this year with plenty of TAs and TBs for Ponga?

If you look at Knights draw early I think they’ll be in lots of high scoring games with lots of attacking opportunities.