NRL Fantasy 2024 Part 33 - Don't listen to Your Guts, they have Sludge for Brains

TU: Bateman
TD: Sorensen

White Lightning wrote:who should i buy:
TU: Armstrong or
TD: Atkinson

cheers

Do you have to buy one of them? I'm interested in Atkinson but will watch first. Armstrong only in because Sharpe out with hamstring puts me off

Loomer wrote:

Do you have to buy one of them? I'm interested in Atkinson but will watch first. Armstrong only in because Sharpe out with hamstring puts me off

i could wait i suppose it's probably the sensible thing to do

sbr202 wrote:TU: Bateman
TD: Sorensen

Whats your MID cover like as this is pretty dependant on that.

Welsh Mafia wrote:

Whats your MID cover like as this is pretty dependant on that.

Got a fair bit - Cotter, Smithies, May (will need to go next week), Waddell, Salmon, Cheese.

Camo123 wrote:

Did he fuck the stat guys sister or something

It's pretty bizarre.
I'm generally pretty happy just to let the scorers score people without question, but really felt like he was involved in a lot more than 30 tackles last night.

I compared the game to VSDT scoring (different stats people) and they're pretty close in most regards.
NRL registered 572 tackles in that game with 59 MT, VSDT 571 with 58 MT.

Here's players who made 20+ tackles;

	PLAYER	NRL TCK	VSDT TCK	NRL MT	VSDT MT
SOU	Cameron Murray	40	39	2	3
SOU	Michael Chee Kam	33	29	3	3
MEL	Josh King	31	31	0	0
MEL	Harry Grant	30	39	4	1
MEL	Trent Loiero	28	28	0	0
SOU	Jacob Host	26	26	2	1
SOU	Keaon Koloamatangi	25	28	4	3
SOU	Damien Cook	25	26	4	2
MEL	Cameron Munster	22	24	2	1
MEL	Eliesa Katoa	22	20	1	1
MEL	Shawn Blore	22	22	0	0
SOU	Siliva Havili	21	21	1	3
SOU	Jai Arrow	20	20	2	2

Tackles seems like something that shouldn't be particularly contentious, and the two sets of stats are mostly within 1 or 2 of each other... but 9 less tackles with 3 of those attributed to being missed - I do recall a couple of tackles where Grant pulled out and put his hands in the air while his team mate tried to affect a turnover (think Katoa got one successfully), but surely they don't count that as a MT?

Anyway, that's my little moan. I won't be emailing anyone because I'm not a cunt

TLDR: Yes, yes he did

30 v 39 and 4 v 1?

I’d much prefer the 39 tackles and the 1 missed

easytiger wrote:

It's pretty bizarre.
I'm generally pretty happy just to let the scorers score people without question, but really felt like he was involved in a lot more than 30 tackles last night.

I compared the game to VSDT scoring (different stats people) and they're pretty close in most regards.
NRL registered 572 tackles in that game with 59 MT, VSDT 571 with 58 MT.

Here's players who made 20+ tackles;

	PLAYER	NRL TCK	VSDT TCK	NRL MT	VSDT MT
SOU	Cameron Murray	40	39	2	3
SOU	Michael Chee Kam	33	29	3	3
MEL	Josh King	31	31	0	0
MEL	Harry Grant	30	39	4	1
MEL	Trent Loiero	28	28	0	0
SOU	Jacob Host	26	26	2	1
SOU	Keaon Koloamatangi	25	28	4	3
SOU	Damien Cook	25	26	4	2
MEL	Cameron Munster	22	24	2	1
MEL	Eliesa Katoa	22	20	1	1
MEL	Shawn Blore	22	22	0	0
SOU	Siliva Havili	21	21	1	3
SOU	Jai Arrow	20	20	2	2

Tackles seems like something that shouldn't be particularly contentious, and the two sets of stats are mostly within 1 or 2 of each other... but 9 less tackles with 3 of those attributed to being missed - I do recall a couple of tackles where Grant pulled out and put his hands in the air while his team mate tried to affect a turnover (think Katoa got one successfully), but surely they don't count that as a MT?

Anyway, that's my little moan. I won't be emailing anyone because I'm not a cunt

TLDR: Yes, yes he did

I didn't see the game, but this does look a bit sus

easytiger wrote:

It's pretty bizarre.
I'm generally pretty happy just to let the scorers score people without question, but really felt like he was involved in a lot more than 30 tackles last night.

I compared the game to VSDT scoring (different stats people) and they're pretty close in most regards.
NRL registered 572 tackles in that game with 59 MT, VSDT 571 with 58 MT.

Here's players who made 20+ tackles;

	PLAYER	NRL TCK	VSDT TCK	NRL MT	VSDT MT
SOU	Cameron Murray	40	39	2	3
SOU	Michael Chee Kam	33	29	3	3
MEL	Josh King	31	31	0	0
MEL	Harry Grant	30	39	4	1
MEL	Trent Loiero	28	28	0	0
SOU	Jacob Host	26	26	2	1
SOU	Keaon Koloamatangi	25	28	4	3
SOU	Damien Cook	25	26	4	2
MEL	Cameron Munster	22	24	2	1
MEL	Eliesa Katoa	22	20	1	1
MEL	Shawn Blore	22	22	0	0
SOU	Siliva Havili	21	21	1	3
SOU	Jai Arrow	20	20	2	2

Tackles seems like something that shouldn't be particularly contentious, and the two sets of stats are mostly within 1 or 2 of each other... but 9 less tackles with 3 of those attributed to being missed - I do recall a couple of tackles where Grant pulled out and put his hands in the air while his team mate tried to affect a turnover (think Katoa got one successfully), but surely they don't count that as a MT?

Anyway, that's my little moan. I won't be emailing anyone because I'm not a cunt

TLDR: Yes, yes he did

I have no stats to back it up other than feelings but I feel that this year they are far more harsh on missed tackles or it’s a new group that don’t fully grasp what a missed tackle is.

Seems to be way more than previous years across the board rather than one or two particular players

Chewie wrote:



Thanks for the input lads, that clears things up a bit.
Not that I had a real interest in Fuller, but for those that have, this is some helpful information

Of the Dolphins eight injuries, Herbie Farnworth is the only Outside Back.
Dolphins said Herbie is expected to be out for at least 4 weeks: which presumable equates to at least: R6 R7 R8 R9

So, in theory, Fuller should play next week as well as this week.
Round 10 is the tricky one: If Herbie is back and that means Fuller loses the exemption, then if you have Fuller you'd lose him from WFB, as well as Canberra players on the bye: Strange (CTR), and if you have Kris/Stewart then that means potentially 3 OSB's down.

Round 11 - NRL Teams can openly select players from outside their 30 man roster + development players, but Hammer is also potentially back in R11 unless they give him an extra week due to previous Hamstring returns (but they may want to give him 2 games to give him the best chance to make the QLD origin team).

Liverpool_Bulldog wrote:30 v 39 and 4 v 1?

I’d much prefer the 39 tackles and the 1 missed

It's only a 15 point swing in points

It's a pretty serious issue. 9 tackles difference and 3 missed that weren't. I don't think they know what they're doing or understand the game at all. The missed tackles they're attributing are intentional drop offs and legitimate tackles aren't being recognised. It's affecting hookers more than most from what I'm seeing, but 2RFs as well.

The VSDT stats are far closer.

Rabbits21. Get on the laptop son.

Wiremu Trades Gone? wrote:

I have no stats to back it up other than feelings but I feel that this year they are far more harsh on missed tackles or it’s a new group that don’t fully grasp what a missed tackle is.

Seems to be way more than previous years across the board rather than one or two particular players

It is possible, but the NRL stats had 59 total missed tackles vs VSDT's 58, so it seems more around who got allocated the missed tackles (and the tackles).

In the end, it all usually balances out in the wash of a whole season, but quite an impressive player variance between two platforms measuring something that shouldn't be too objective

What is Lussick official BE? Footystats is 36 but that's rough estimate still? If mid 30 I think I'll loop. If manages to get 40 min I may keep him through his bye

SuperCoach has Grant fr 34 tackles and 3 missed

I'm sure if you analysed every player every week , and not just the ones we own in fantasy , you'd find more examples of tackle count discrepancies .

Supercoach are stricter on what constitutes a tackle, and don't generally reward 3rd man flops. I'm guessing champion also have some slight differences in their criteria that must just impact the way Harry Grant defends .

I know the prizes are ridiculously low for fantasy and it's a free game and all, but I often wonder whether these 'stats recorders' do favour blokes in their own teams.

The only real prizes here are bragging rights.

Some of the scoring is almost as silly as the 6 agains we're seeing in games that have a big impact whether they make sense or not but happen with no accountability necessary.

SC is heavily scrutinised because the prizes are larger and the consequences are more significant.

Roosters vs Dragons has bigger swings in tackle counts than the Storm game does

PLAYER	STATS	Champion
Connor Watson	51	47
Hame Sele	37	31
Nat Butcher	36	40
Angus Crichton	35	29
Jaydn Su'a	35	29
Jack De Belin	34	30
Raymond Faitala-Mariner	28	35
Lindsay Collins	27	20
Brandon Smith	26	23
Tom Eisenhuth	22	21
Luke Keary	21	19
Jared Waerea-Hargreaves	21	20

Tough question I know but who would you guys play out of Chester,Talau or Atkinson?

Being the official fantasy product of the NRL, NRL Fantasy is always going to have to use the official NRL stats provider, whoever that is at the time, so I don't think there's anything Fanhub can do about stats issues anyway.

All we can do is complain when the other stats companies score our players more highly accurately