Round 8 Match Thread

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Penalty try??.....

On a side note and something that was overlooked primarily because the commentators started batting off over the bloke, was Lachlan Coote's try saver on Danny Wicks.

Now this is where the rules are shit because technically it was a deadset shoulder charge and realistically by the letter of the law, should have been a penalty try.

i can't remember the incident to which you refer, but you could also include Oates getting tackled high by Aaron Gray when he scored in the corner as an 8 point try as well. Sure it would have been a soft penalty, but anyone who gets tackled around the head gets penalised, so you'd think by the letter of the law that should have been as well.

leaguegod wrote:



agree with all of that


i don't think players being video refs in always gonna be a good thing but when it comes to determining whether offenses should be penalized, i do think Patten is letting more go then Sutton (Sutton did the chooks game, Patten the storm game for example)

Maybe they should have an ex-player running the bunker in general play and once the ref actually calls for it the ref in the bunker takes over. Keep the muppet whose never played out of stopping play and take the reins for decision making away from the idiot whose spent a career running into other men.

depends on when you think "the act of scoring" begins

generally its only been treated as being an 8 point try when the ball is about to be planted, i would say that nrl would deem to contact from gray to be before the act of scoring (i don't think i'd agree tho)

ryno_ wrote:

Maybe they should have an ex-player running the bunker in general play and once the ref actually calls for it the ref in the bunker takes over. Keep the muppet whose never played out of stopping play and take the reins for decision making away from the idiot whose spent a career running into other men.

sounds good to me

SI wrote:

Tigers did it in 2005 v Cowboys (I think).  Might go back and see if I find it but from memory the kick off hit the cross bar.  Although not sure if it was in that play or the next play.

Uate scored one against the roosters a couple of years ago

Put Joey Johns in the bunker. You might laugh but the bloke is generally spot on in his calls.

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Yeah I agree but was just shit-stirring old mate Pieman.

It's certainly not in the rule books but I'd be interested to see if this was an interpretation employed by the NRL.
It probably should be (even though it is completely hypocritical)....but only because of the stupid rule they introduced in the first place.

Well it didnt work.
Was not a case for a penalty try coz Gordon was there anyway - the sin bin was used appropriately for it tho.
The shoulder charges should be penalty tries.
A shoulder charge is a penalty, if someone does one to stop a try, then it should be a penalty try. Its simple.

ryno_ wrote:

Maybe they should have an ex-player running the bunker in general play and once the ref actually calls for it the ref in the bunker takes over. Keep the muppet whose never played out of stopping play and take the reins for decision making away from the idiot whose spent a career running into other men.

Robbo was right when he said the bunker aren't the match review committee. There's 4 blokes on the field who can make the call. If they don't it's not the bunkers job, it's the MRC's.

Your Name wrote:
Robbo was right when he said the bunker aren't the match review committee. There's 4 blokes on the field who can make the call. If they don't it's not the bunkers job, it's the MRC's.

Why the fuck do refs put stuff on report anyway?
The MRC goes through every match, why do the refs have to do it too?

Bren wrote:
Pretty sure I ranked Melbourne to come second this year before the season started. (Where is that thread again?).

Broncos always seem to get Storm after they have been on a small run and are high in confidence..

You did. I have everyone's tables spreadsheeted.

Combining everyone's predictions produced a table that looked like this:

Broncos
Cowboys
Storm
Sharks
Warriors
Sea Eagles
Raiders
Rabbitohs
Bulldogs
Roosters
Eels
Panthers
Dragons
Tigers
Titans
Knights

Pieman wrote:

Why the fuck do refs put stuff on report anyway?
The MRC goes through every match, why do the refs have to do it too?

So that if it's an illegal shot the opposition team gets a free interchange. If a player has to go off to fix a blood nose because of a high shot they shouldn't have a player down of it.

leaguegod wrote:depends on when you think "the act of scoring" begins

generally its only been treated as being an 8 point try when the ball is about to be planted, i would say that nrl would deem to contact from gray to be before the act of scoring (i don't think i'd agree tho)

Yeah you could be right. I'm not sure what the correct interpretation is and from what I can remember in the past it has been someone coming in late or smacking them across the nose while trying to knock the ball out immediately before grounding. Considering Gray still had him around the neck when the ball was grounded I'd say it was more a case of them either thinking the contact was minor, or just not really considering it at all (which I would say is most likely). Perhaps Oates should have stayed down and held his neck - the try was to go 10 points up, so the extra 2 points to go to 12 or 14 is actually fairly significant.

Your Name wrote:

You did. I have everyone's tables spreadsheeted.  

Combining everyone's predictions produced a table that looked like this:

Broncos
Cowboys
Storm
Sharks
Warriors
Sea Eagles
Raiders
Rabbitohs
Bulldogs
Roosters
Eels
Panthers
Dragons
Tigers
Titans
Knights

they got us all again

Your Name wrote:
Robbo was right when he said the bunker aren't the match review committee. There's 4 blokes on the field who can make the call. If they don't it's not the bunkers job, it's the MRC's.

This is true, but for as long as it is the case, players are giving up an advantage if they don't stay down every time they think there is a high shot.

The current rules effectively give teams a "captain's challenge" for video review, with no consequences for incorrect/dodgy challenges. Why wouldn't you use it?

Pieman wrote:

Well it didnt work.
Was not a case for a penalty try coz Gordon was there anyway - the sin bin was used appropriately for it tho.
The shoulder charges should be penalty tries.
A shoulder charge is a penalty, if someone does one to stop a try, then it should be a penalty try. Its simple.

It doesn't necessarily have to give you the shits for it to be worthwhile....

Anyway, whilst I agree that by the letter of the law, the Coote try saver was a penalty try that got missed and thus lauded instead of penalised.....I'm glad it did and it just highlights how short sighted the NRL's shoulder charge rule is.

Honeysett wrote:

So that if it's an illegal shot the opposition team gets a free interchange. If a player has to go off to fix a blood nose because of a high shot they shouldn't have a player down of it.

Isn't a penalty sufficient to determine it was illegal though ?

Your Name wrote:

Isn't a penalty sufficient to determine it was illegal though ?

Not really no, for example Taupau nailed Bird in the head and was knocked out cold and had to go off. Sharks should be able to have a free interchange due to how bad it is.

If it was just a high spot that slipped up off the ball and wasn't malicious there is no reason for a free interchange.

I think the rule is fine.

SI wrote:

Random wrote:That is the first try I have seen scored from a kick off, by the kicking team.

Tigers did it in 2005 v Cowboys (I think).  Might go back and see if I find it but from memory the kick off hit the cross bar.  Although not sure if it was in that play or the next play.

Found it, and I was right about being wrong! Richards re-start hit the upright and Skando caught it. Halatau scored off the next play though, not the kick off.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Wests_Tigers_Forum/ar/t7460.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8GBc5qoj54

I miss the good Uate

Bren wrote:Put Joey Johns in the bunker. You might laugh but the bloke is generally spot on in his calls.

Potential issue if he gets asked to zoom in on a line...