State of Origin Game 2

Dip wrote:It's a shame Cronulla have the bye next week. I could imagine NSWRL hastily changing their named team to give Cordner every chance to play, only to be ruled out after the weekend with Graham coming in, ala Ennis.

Dip wrote:

Loading - because he's a repeat offender. Just like someone who gets charged for robbery, second time they get done they get a bigger charge because they haven't corrected their problem. The onus is on the defender to correct their technique or actions.
Carryover - it's like a suspended sentence. You won't get suspended for this as long as you keep a clean nose until your carryover is extinguished. Given that was only 13 games ago, I reckon that's fair enough.

I think it makes perfect sense because I think repeat offenders should get penalised more. If say Adrian Morley or Josh Reynolds went and did a grade 1 high tackle or trip every week, why should they never get suspended?

Dip wrote:It's a shame Cronulla have the bye next week. I could imagine NSWRL hastily changing their named team to give Cordner every chance to play, only to be ruled out after the weekend with Graham coming in, ala Ennis.

Pieman wrote:

The difference is, a robbery is a pre planned action - most head high or what ever are just accidents.
If it isnt enough to get you suspended at the time, then it shouldnt come back and be enough to combine with another incident to get you suspended.

Dip wrote:
Edit: I do think that suspending someone for origin or a finals match on the same basis as for club matches is harsh, because they're not equal matches. I don't know what the best answer is, but I wouldn't mind it if you needed say 150 points to miss a finals, origin or test match, and have them as reducing carry over points so it is like a suspended sentence for low range incidents.

Pieman wrote:I dont understand how you can get suspended playing for totally different team...

Its a simple solution.
If you get suspended playing for cronulla, you miss cronulla games.
If you get suspended playing for rep games, you miss rep games.

Your Name wrote:

There's been some absolute shockers at international level though. Hardly fair a bloke fronts up week in week out but misses the next 4 years or internationals.  A lot of players wouldn't play enough internationals to cover their suspension.

Dip wrote:

Plus, if Radradra got suspended in his last game for Fiji, what game would he miss. Fiji's next test or Australia's next test. And how about City/Country or the All-Stars game. You wouldn't want someone to break someone's jaw in City v Country and effectively not have them penalised at all because next year when they improve from 4th string rep player to 3rd string rep player they were going to pull out of the match anyway.

Pieman wrote:

As I said, its obviously not that simple - but my argument is why should the club be punished when they do something playing in a rep game?
I dont see how its fair to the clubs. "He took someones head off playing for eg QLD, and he cant play for us for 2 weeks, but will be available again to play for QLD by next game).

Maybe fines need to come in if they get done in a rep game?

(also, pretty sure CvC is being scrapped from next year or the year after)

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

In the same way I don't have a problem with a club player being injured during Origin, I don't have a problem with them being suspended.

The benefits still outweigh the negatives.

Your Name wrote:

You do have the answer. It's that easy. 150 points for a rep or final game. The charge takes you to 120 points you play the rep/origin and miss the next club/regular season game.

Dip wrote:It's unlucky for him, but you guys are grasping at straws. It didn't bounce off the ball, and while JT was low, it was because he was stepping as Graham rushed out of the defensive line. It wasn't because he slipped or fell just before the tackle. Graham leaves his feet as he is making the tackle and gets him right on the neck and chin.

I'm comfortable that it was no more than a grade 1, which would have got him off had he had no carry over or loading (only needed to have no loading or no carryover, but he had both). That's not a perfect system, but I have no problems with repeat offenders getting bigger penalties, and that it what the loading and carry over does.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/league/nrl/grahams-costly-high-hit!528637

Edit: I do think that suspending someone for origin or a finals match on the same basis as for club matches is harsh, because they're not equal matches. I don't know what the best answer is, but I wouldn't mind it if you needed say 150 points to miss a finals, origin or test match, and have them as reducing carry over points so it is like a suspended sentence for low range incidents.

Ice wrote:

That said, I understand how it may cop the lowest end of a careless grading, but given the lack of intent I'm pretty sure if they challenge it he will get off.