Welshy wrote:
Pre draft rankings have little to do in regards to affecting trade value that far into the season, Mathews was the lead back in a run first team with a rookie QB, the fumbling issue last few games have affected his value NOW but when the trade was made Cooks was floundering and will always be a 3,4 ,4 28 scorer, Sproles is too small to handle a 20 touch a game workload, Matthews will get his role back
That is like saying you wouldn't trade Gurley for Gordon because Gordon was going in the 10th and Gurley in the first. stupid reasoning
I'm sorry but that trade was simply not a fair one. I would be incredibly surprised if you could find anyone that knows about NFL fantasy that would say otherwise.
The form argument was smoke and mirrors mate and I think you knew that at the time of the trade...
You are right, the pre draft rankings can be a weak argument, but its not the only one I made. The fact that Mathews was the lead RB means very little given it was on a Philly side that had (and still does have) no idea what they are doing on offence, particularly with their running game. The only reason I have held onto Matthews until now is that there is just enough room to warrant a place for him deep on my bench in the hope Philly might sort them selves out... The only reason I drafted him was because I am new to the game myself. Week in week out there are better players on the waiver wire than him though....I believe despite my woeful RB situation I've played Mathews once since week 3!
Otherwise you only have to look at the numbers to see where Mathews value is at. His first game was a complete outlier, and his fantasy scores after two games were only respectable because of TDs which should be a massive red flag. To see a RBs true fantasy value you need to look at carries per game (his are terribly low for a lead back, ~8 since week 2), yards per carry (pretty poor, 3.8 ), and where they sit as a receiving threat (almost non-existent, ~1 per game).
On the other hand everyone knows (as you rightly point out) that Cooks is an inconsistent scorer. That being said he is on a team which is often chasing points and therefore passing dominates, has a QB that will tend to target him, and is a player who has the ability to put up monster plays! It should be no concern or surprise therefore that his form can be a little down at the times. I think you took advantage of that with someone who is new to the game.
So what does that equate to? Cooks is the 5th ranked WR and Mathews ranks 27th of RBs...
Anyway, I'm clearly not gonna get you to agree with me, but thought I would support my position with some facts that you can't deny.
I just think its a bit of a shame when new players get taken advantage of in trades (bearing in mind that I am not even in your guys league).
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the reality is that Philly's running game is going nowhere, but more so the form of the two at the time of the trade was probably the sucker punch. I.e. Cooks had had a couple poor games, and Mathews the odd good one. At the end of the day though on average Cooks was a 4th round pick in most 8 team drafts (30th overall) and Mathews was a 9th round pick (65th overall). Don't mean to be a arse but that alone should have had the alarm bells ringing and I would say in a lot of leagues that trade would have gotten vetoed...
