2017 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 5

superbucks wrote:Possibly, but only with Fifita in the team.

McGinness + Fifita(C) + 14k vs McGuire + Smith(C)

McInnes (80) and Fifita will score more than Smith and McGuire IMO

What i'm saying is if McInnes can avg 60 playing 80 minutes then he replaces Smith for $158,000 less without the need for Fifita who everyone uses as a Smith dummy for $30,000 less

obviously a huge risk and asssuming Mcinnes carries on that stupid avg when playing 65+ minutes

too much doubt for me to risk it.....

Welshy wrote:

McInnes (80) and Fifita will score more than Smith and McGuire IMO

plus u get mcinnes over origin do you not?? what are dragons byes like

lewis9966 wrote:

plus u get mcinnes over origin do you not?? what are dragons byes like

Dragons have shit byes mate but you would get him for an extra 2 games

Too many cheaper WFB options for anyone to consider Dugan?

avg 47 playing fullback last year and only scored twice!

Welshy wrote:

McInnes (80) and Fifita will score more than Smith and McGuire IMO

What i'm saying is if McInnes can avg 60 playing 80 minutes then he replaces Smith for $158,000 less without the need for Fifita who everyone uses as a Smith dummy for $30,000 less

obviously a huge risk and asssuming Mcinnes carries on that stupid avg when playing 65+ minutes

too much doubt for me to risk it.....

I don't mind these types of punts since there's some reward, with McInnes being a 60+ type player possibly. But to not invest in a captain option is just too risky, which is why I feel the need to factor in Fifita. So my answer to your question is no.

McInnes getting 80 should tempt everybody.

superbucks wrote:

I don't mind these types of punts since there's some reward, with McInnes being a 60+ type player possibly. But to not invest in a captain option is just too risky, which is why I feel the need to factor in Fifita. So my answer to your question is no.

McInnes getting 80 should tempt everybody.

Therin lies the main problem with no Smith, the captaincy conundrum.

Welshy wrote:Therin lies the main problem with no Smith, the captaincy conundrum.

Pretty much.

When you don't have the best C option(s), the rest of your team needs to hum to succeed. I tried last year running no Smith, went Liicha/Seg at the start with Parker(C). I felt like that would work out well, obviously I was wrong...

That's not to say I would be put off going McInnes/Fifita this year and no Smith.

superbucks wrote:

Pretty much.

When you don't have the best C option(s), the rest of your team needs to hum to succeed. I tried last year running no Smith, went Liicha/Seg at the start with Parker(C). I felt like that would work out well, obviously I was wrong...

That's not to say I would be put off going McInnes/Fifita this year and no Smith.

Wowsers. Just ran some data collection from Milchs planners

I will not accept less than 55 from my captain. I don't care as much about the huge score just want the consistency. Shocked to see last year Fifita out captained Smith from a consistency stand point

Smith scored 55+ in 20 out of 26 games - 76.9%
Fifita scored 55+ in 21 out of 25 games - 84%

Interesting.

edit to add Mcinnes

playing hooker and 65+ minutes (11 games)

avg 60.5 with 55+ scored in 8 out of 11 games played - 72.7%

Jack DeBelin

average playing 60+ minutes at lock - 67.2 (15 games)

55+ in 13 out of 15 games - 86.67%

Welshy wrote:Wowsers. Just ran some data collection from Milchs planners

I will not accept less than 55 from my captain. I don't care as much about the huge score just want the consistency. Shocked to see last year Fifita out captained Smith from a consistency stand point

Smith scored 55+ in 20 out of 26 games - 76.9%
Fifita scored 55+ in 21 out of 25 games - 84%

Interesting.

edit to add Mcinnes

playing hooker and 65+ minutes (11 games)

avg 60.5 with 55+ scored in 8 out of 11 games played - 72.7%

That is interesting, I wouldn't have guessed it.

Smith standard deviation = 11.87
Fifita standard deviation = 12.27

So on that, Smith showed slightly less spread. The difference might be Fifita's 30.

They seem fairly matched if 2016 form is telling.

McInnes becomes a near-Smith when he gets 65+ that's a pretty good incentive to start him. But still the risk with just 11 games.

Edit - JDB is a lock for me again now that he's been cleared of that tap.

JDB racked up the fantasy stats last year, but his actual real-life performances were really poor. Not just my view, you should see what the Dragons forums think of him. I know real life and fantasy don't always connect, but they do when an average player/fantasy star like Fensom gets dropped.

While JDB will always score well with his third-man tackles when he's on the field, if Friz is fitter than last year and with Thompson and Sims I'd be amazed if JDB plays anywhere near 80 after the first few weeks, especially if Mary gets canned.

But by all means fill your boots...looks like he's going to be my anti-POD

superbucks wrote:

That is interesting, I wouldn't have guessed it.

Smith standard deviation = 11.87
Fifita standard deviation = 12.27

So on that, Smith showed slightly less spread. The difference might be Fifita's 30.

They seem fairly matched if 2016 form is telling.

McInnes becomes a near-Smith when he gets 65+ that's a pretty good incentive to start him. But still the risk with just 11 games.

Edit - JDB is a lock for me again now that he's been cleared of that tap.

Yup JDB locked in for me. you can....fit them all in haha

would be happier if Scott was WFB/CTR dual

Smith, Mcinnes
Fifita, McGuire, Gurgess, Perrett
Surgess, JDB, SMat, Aloiai, Nuff, Nuff
Taylor, Lamb, Elgey, Field
Kelly, Idris, Scott, Nuff
Uate, RTS, Hayne, Phythian, Jennings

rhinoceroo wrote:JDB racked up the fantasy stats last year, but his actual real-life performances were really poor. Not just my view, you should see what the Dragons forums think of him. I know real life and fantasy don't always connect, but they do when an average player/fantasy star like Fensom gets dropped.

While JDB will always score well with his third-man tackles when he's on the field, if Friz is fitter than last year and with Thompson and Sims I'd be amazed if JDB plays anywhere near 80 after the first few weeks, especially if Mary gets canned.

But by all means fill your boots...looks like he's going to be my anti-POD

Guessing he gets his role changed and a coach getting fired there mind, say that does happen, give him 6 rounds.....then JDB has likely scored close to 400 points and if you are worried about his new role you jump onto someone else with a trade

For me his FANTASY scoring is too big to not start with

Welshy wrote:If McInnes is named with no hooker on that Dragons bench, anyone willing to run the gauntlet and go no CS9

McInnes playing 80 should go 60 most weeks, viable captaincy option then?

Just gives me an excuse to lock in the second hooker spot. It's so hard to pick without team lists

I'd take the proven Simon Mannering over JDB every time but I'm worried he might spend some time on the edge under Kearney

P.s Mannering 55+ in 11/22 games. In those 11 games he averaged 70

I prefer to look at 50+ scores. Mannering 16/22. Merrin is another not many are considering with 50+ in 18/23 games. Smith 22/23. Fifita 19/22. JDB 14/16 starting at lock

Shout out to Honeysett for convincing me to go to Mash while in Bunbury.
Great little spot for a brewpub but fucking horrendous that the first seven beers I ordered off their menu were unavailable.

Made no attempt at an apology or explanation.

My recommendation is don't waste your time if you're ever in Bunbury.

My HOK combo to start the year in 2015: Michael Lichaa and Kierran Moseley. Final rank at the end of the year: 398

If TLT comes around and screws everyone over then it's probably worth considering going without Smith if it can strengthen your squad everywhere else. You'd have to plan insanely well for the byes to counter the fact you don't have him though, only reason I did so well.

Milchcow wrote:I think my 2nd hooker will come from  McCullough/Peats/McInnes

Means I won't have Fifita, and probably can't have JDB/Mannering (assuming I pick Surgess in back row)

unless I get the balls to start King to free up some cash.

we are on the same page.

My 2nd hooker is currently McInnes. If there's any doubt about him playing 80 then I'll probably free up a little cash, I'm thinking Peats ahead of Macca, but those are the two options I'm considering.

There was an article the other day on fox saying Peats wants to be an 80 minute player (not that it means anything, alot of players "want" to be an 80 minute player)

If King looks like playing 80 then he has to be considered. He would make 200k if he can a) stay fit, and b) hold the #9

My whole makeup depends on King also.

Also, is JDB locked in for 80 minutes? I think he's pretty shit too on the field and yeah, if Friz and Sims are fit he could lose minutes.

I read that about Peats too, interesting, he wants to pay the club back and expressed to Henry that he wants to play 80.