2018 Brisbane Broncos Thread

Per the rule book it was a try. I don't agree with it and I'd be filthy if it was against my team. He wanted to kick it and he fucked it up, he's saved by a technicality. I don't think anyone that is a rugby league tragic wanted that to be a try.

Bennett himself said in 2015 he needs two years to get in the mix towards a premiership. They got there early but they haven't stayed there which must be the concern. A powerhouse team like the Broncos should never have a negative win/loss record - perhaps time to come to terms they're just like everybody else now.

Oh and they got beat by Newcastle.

ryno_ wrote:

If you have to go to super slo-mo to count the rotations of the ball, its as close to immediate as you can expect. A drop kick is intended to be a half-volley, its not meant to be kicked with the ball still touching the grass. In real time, its a drop kick. Ive seen dropkicks with worse technique then that one _somehow_ float over the cross bar with a full blooded leg swing.

He intended to kick it. He is within his rights to execute which ever kick he wants in general play. He kicked a drop kick, accidental or not. Play on.

I would agree the rule probably should be changed. However, as it stands, it's the correct call and shouldnt even be a controversial one. It's as clear cut as they come.

I don't mind the rule as it stands to be honest.
You should be able to drop kick it in general play without going for a field goal and there have been several incidents of this over the years, with the example Sutton gave being Alf's little grubbers back in the day.

The rule needs to be properly enforced though and if it isn't kicked immediately, then it is a dropped ball.
To the naked eye it looked bad, Slater knew it wasn't right and on replay it was clear cut.

We need more clear cut rules. It seems like every time the ref needs to interpret something they make the wrong call, I know thats not true but its certainly the way it feels as a fan.

Honeysett wrote:Per the rule book it was a try. I don't agree with it and I'd be filthy if it was against my team. He wanted to kick it and he fucked it up, he's saved by a technicality. I don't think anyone that is a rugby league tragic wanted that to be a try.

Bennett himself said in 2015 he needs two years to get in the mix towards a premiership. They got there early but they haven't stayed there which must be the concern. A powerhouse team like the Broncos should never have a negative win/loss record - perhaps time to come to terms they're just like everybody else now.

Oh and they got beat by Newcastle.

Haven't stayed there? They made the prelim final last season? I'd call that in the mix. They are currently 1 win off 5th place after 5 of their 7 matches have been against teams currently in the top 8, and have played 4 of the top 5 teams.

Dip wrote:

Haven't stayed there? They made the prelim final last season? I'd call that in the mix. They are currently 1 win off 5th place after 5 of their 7 matches have been against teams currently in the top 8, and have played 4 of the top 5 teams.

As I said a few pages back, since Bennett's return, we've made a GF, made a prelim and made a semi.....that's clearly and consistently in the mix.

Writing us off this year is also fine by me.

Dip wrote:The Marshall one in 2010 was completely different as he went for a kick and it glanced his calf on the way down (on the full). It wasn't a drop kick so they ruled it play on. because a kick is defined as:

KICK means making contact with the ball with any part of the leg (except the heel) from knee to toe inclusive.

A drop kick in the rules is defined as:

DROP KICK is a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground.

There is nothing about it having to be intentional or going for a FG. It wasn't a knock on because it wasn't dropped accidently. If it was then he would have had to kick it before it hit the ground because of rule 10.2

If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed. Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.

So the ruling was correct. I too always thought a drop kick needed to be intentional, but the intention only needs to be to kick it.

It might be a stupid rule that went against us, but  that was the rule none the less. Having said that, Klein is a useless ref. How was him not calling time off when we had a penalty 3 minutes before half time for about 45 seconds when Smith was slowing down the game by talking to him (which incidently he wasn't allowed to do after a penalty unless the ref asked to talk to him (which he didn't):

Captains may approach a Referee when clarifying a ruling in an orderly manner, when appropriate stoppages allow. Captains will only be able to speak to Referees during a stoppage in play (tries,
injury break or when Referee is issuing a caution). Penalties and scrums are not considered stoppages of play. Captains will be given the opportunity to speak to the Referees as players leave the field for half-time.

wow so if a player knocks on, gets a boot to it right away then regathers - play on?

Pieman wrote:

wow so if a player knocks on, gets a boot to it right away then regathers - play on?

As in kicks it before it hits the ground? Yes that has always been play on. Hayne scored a try when that happened a few years ago in origin.

Dip wrote:

As in kicks it before it hits the ground? Yes that has always been play on. Hayne scored a try when that happened a few years ago in origin.

no, as in it hits they ground then the get a boot to it quickly.

or it has to be dropped with the intention to kick it

Pieman wrote:

no, as in it hits they ground then the get a boot to it quickly.

No if it hits the ground it is a knock on under the accidental knock on rule as it has hit the ground first. A usual drop kick is not covered by this rule as it is not accidental.

Dip wrote:

Haven't stayed there? They made the prelim final last season? I'd call that in the mix. They are currently 1 win off 5th place after 5 of their 7 matches have been against teams currently in the top 8, and have played 4 of the top 5 teams.

Mmm what I meant by in the mix I mean had the quality to actually win the grand final. Broncos were no where near close enough. 30-0 to the Storm is proof of that. Much like Newcastle’s prelim against the Roosters in year whatever. We were making up numbers and weren’t a genuine contender despite being that close. 2015 you had the quality but the coach didn’t have the game plan and shut up shop too early

They’ve been in decline quality wise and look like they’re only going backwards. Recruitment and retention used to be their biggest winning formula and that appears to have gone out the window.

The quality just doesn’t look to be the same for the Broncos. You’re what 3 and 4 and were incorrectly gifted a win against the Tigers. Realistically the way you’ve played you could be 2 and 5. You’re not though so let’s talk facts. Of the teams you’ve beat this year one of them made the 8 last year. Of the 4 teams that have beat you only one of them made the 8 in fact 2 of them were the 2 bottom sides. This is from a team that finished 3rd last year. Where you are now suggests you’re not on the rise and no closer to a premiership this year. When does the rebuild occur?

It has never stopped being weird to me that the posters most interested in trolling this thread mostly come from the Knights, Tigers & Eels, then again maybe that isn't so weird, i imagine if my team spent the majority of recent history locked in battles for wooden spoons, i'd want to find something to take my mind off it too...

Honeysett wrote:

Mmm what I meant by in the mix I mean had the quality to actually win the grand final. Broncos were no where near close enough. 30-0 to the Storm is proof of that. Much like Newcastle’s prelim against the Roosters in year whatever. We were making up numbers and weren’t a genuine contender despite being that close. 2015 you had the quality but the coach didn’t have the game plan and shut up shop too early  

They’ve been in decline quality wise and look like they’re only going backwards. Recruitment and retention used to be their biggest winning formula and that appears to have gone out the window.

The quality just doesn’t look to be the same for the Broncos. You’re what 3 and 4 and were incorrectly gifted a win against the Tigers. Realistically the way you’ve played you could be 2 and 5. You’re not though so let’s talk facts. Of the teams you’ve beat this year one of them made the 8 last year. Of the 4 teams that have beat you only one of them made the 8 in fact 2 of them were the 2 bottom sides.  This is from a team that finished 3rd last year. Where you are now suggests you’re not on the rise and no closer to a premiership this year. When does the rebuild occur?

Lol. If that makes you feel better thats fine. Gifted a win against the Tigers? Please. The Tigers were gifted getting to golden point by the Broncos having a try incorrectly disallowed, then scoring from the subsequent 7 tackle set.

Not in the mix last year? Please. Injuries at key time were really bad for our situation last year. Melbourne were the most dominant team of the last 15 years, but if they had the injuries at the time we did, particularly to their hooker and fullback, then it evens it up somewhat (we probably still lose, but that's what Melbourne do to us).

It's been a poor start to the season no doubt, but when you look at all the other teams in the comp there are strong arguments as to why they can't win or have gone backwards either. Of the other 3 prelim finals teams, the Storm don't yet look nearly the same side without Cronk, the Roosters are getting out muscled through the middle, and the Cowboys, well there's no need to start there. The backline hasn't clicked yet but if you're looking at comparisons to last year we've lost Moga for Opacic/Kahu which is minimal difference, and Hunt, who was playing reserve grade last year for Bird who is an origin player. In the forwards Ese Ese is a loss for sure, but Lodge is playing better than he did. Blair was basically called useless by all and sundry last year. TPJ, Ofahengue and Sua are showing more than they did last year. We're carrying Thaiday and Sims this year, but everyone on this forum said last year they were useless so maybe not much has changed. All in all there's nothing to suggest we're further from a premiership than last year other than we've got quite a few players out of form (some probably injury related - such as Boyd). We started last year 2-3 remember, and lost to Canterbury who looked absolutely woeful until then, and struggled to beat the ordinary Raiders.

Honeysett wrote:


They’ve been in decline quality wise and look like they’re only going backwards. Recruitment and retention used to be their biggest winning formula and that appears to have gone out the window.

About the time Andrew Gee left.

It's a mistake bringing up and playing a specialist hooker.

Krump wrote:We need more clear cut rules. It seems like every time the ref needs to interpret something they make the wrong call, I know thats not true but its certainly the way it feels as a fan.

Yeah I know what you mean! When on twitter I see the bunker tweet "further explanation on such and such" I'm like they obviously know its iffy or incorrect haha

Pieman wrote:

no, as in it hits they ground then the get a boot to it quickly.

Per the referee's boss that is exactly why the rule states you have to kick it immediately.........which Slater didn't.

Dip wrote:

and Hunt, who was playing reserve grade last year for Bird who is an origin player

this bit made me chuckle

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Per the referee's boss that is exactly why the rule states you have to kick it immediately.........which Slater didn't.

yes he did?

surmo13 wrote:It has never stopped being weird to me that the posters most interested in trolling this thread mostly come from the Knights, Tigers & Eels, then again maybe that isn't so weird, i imagine if my team spent the majority of recent history locked in battles for wooden spoons, i'd want to find something to take my mind off it too...

its because the majority of posters on the forum are bronco fans, and while most are fine there are a handful of precious, hypocritical, know nothing know it alls who are fun to stir up