2018 NRL.com Fantasy Thread Part 63

wolfking wrote:Anyway, I guess there are arguments for both sides.  oesn't really matter, we can't control what Ramesh and Sanjay give out points for.

Anyway, what are other MBye owners doing?  he's my 18th man, but wondering if he's worht a trade.

You can't control it of course, but as a person who plays quite a lot of fantasy sport, you really do want to be able to watch a game and know that when you see something on the park it is being scored as such on the fantasy sites.

I've played fantasy Rugby, NFL, NBA, Tour de France, Golf, and NRL. NRL is the only one where on a consistent basis you have to check the stats to see whether something has been scored or not. Its just really annoying IMO as is largely fixable with solid definitions and consistent scoring. In most other fantasy sports organisers wouldn't get away with so much inconsistency.

we used to work on the definition of a try save being if you held up someone ingoal, which I would be fine with. I think there have been a few instances where that hasn't been the case though (both for held up in-goal not getting a TS and getting a TS for something other than held up in-goal), although can't remember them off the top of my head.

Milchcow wrote:

As always, it needs to be pointed out that VSDT and Fantasy both use the same stats source.

And Fanhub does not provide stats at all.

I care more about the inconsistencies around try  assists than about try saves or tackle busts.
Although it would be nice to be given clear definitions of everything

I agree that try assists are much more of an annoyance and importance in fantasy.

I guess sometimes awarding fantasy points is a lot like any decisions in the game, based on judgement a lot of the time and you're going to get difference of opinion most of the time. Perhaps next year they should make clear defintions and just stick to it. eg. TA is just the last pass etc. but then you would probably still find reasons to question.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

You can't control it of course, but as a person who plays quite a lot of fantasy sport, you really do want to be able to watch a game and know that when you see something on the park it is being scored as such on the fantasy sites.

I've played fantasy Rugby, NFL, NBA, Tour de France, Golf, and NRL. NRL is the only one where on a consistent basis you have to check the stats to see whether something has been scored or not. Its just really annoying IMO as is largely fixable with solid definitions and consistent scoring. In most other fantasy sports organisers wouldn't get away with so much inconsistency.

The interesting thing is that over the past few years there have been 4 companies provide stats for various NRL competitions - NRLStats, Champion Data, Prozone and FoxSports. And fans have complained about every one of them.

Like refereeing performance, there is no way you can have it setup so that people don't have a whinge.

With the sports listed above, how many have subjective stats as part of their scoring. I don't play golf or TDF fantasy but I'd imagine most stats used there would be a matter of fact and not opinion. For NFL fantasy, other than maybe quibbling about a yard gained here or there, there isn't much that the fans can complain about in terms of potential stats errors.

The only other fantasy sport I play is soccer, and people definitely complain about stats there, albeit not to the level that NRL fans do.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

You can't control it of course, but as a person who plays quite a lot of fantasy sport, you really do want to be able to watch a game and know that when you see something on the park it is being scored as such on the fantasy sites.

I've played fantasy Rugby, NFL, NBA, Tour de France, Golf, and NRL. NRL is the only one where on a consistent basis you have to check the stats to see whether something has been scored or not. Its just really annoying IMO as is largely fixable with solid definitions and consistent scoring. In most other fantasy sports organisers wouldn't get away with so much inconsistency.

Fair. Ive only played NRL and NFL but was surprised the first time I played NFL how clearcut it was compared to NRL fantasy.

wolfking wrote:

Fair. Ive only played NRL and NFL but was surprised the first time I played NFL how clearcut it was compared to NRL fantasy.

to be fair though, when basically the only stats you're tracking for fantasy is yards gained and points, and the field has every single yard marked on it, it's near impossible to fuck that up

surmo13 wrote:

to be fair though, when basically the only stats you're tracking for fantasy is yards gained and points, and the field has every single yard marked on it, it's near impossible to fuck that up

Agreed. There are a few more stats they track, but yup its pretty clear cut. But thats part of the reason NFL fantasy is so appealing. Sunday in the US isn't a day for Church any more its a day for fantasy football!!

The NRL could do well to learn from that and develop the fantasy game so that there is less ambiguity. Its a different game for sure, but clear definitions and more care taken to score as per those definitions you could eliminate 99% of the fuckups.

Looks like Issac Luke and Tohu Harris won't be playing on Sunday.

Milchcow wrote:

The interesting thing is that over the past few years there have been 4 companies provide stats for various NRL competitions - NRLStats, Champion Data, Prozone and FoxSports. And fans have complained about every one of them.

Like refereeing performance, there is no way you can have it setup so that people don't have a whinge.

With the sports listed above, how many have subjective stats as part of their scoring. I don't play golf or TDF fantasy but I'd imagine most stats used there would be a matter of fact and not opinion. For NFL fantasy, other than maybe quibbling about a yard gained here or there, there isn't much that the fans can complain about in terms of potential stats errors.

The only other fantasy sport I play is soccer, and people definitely complain about stats there, albeit not to the level that NRL fans do.

Agree with what you are saying.

My hunch though is that the contracts put out for these stats are at a dollar value that reflects the quality of the information being gathered. It seems there is just simply not an appetite for better quality data.

There is an easy fix, but it has to be demand driven.

filthridden wrote:Looks like Issac Luke and Tohu Harris won't be playing on Sunday.

I was kinda hoping that info would be released Sunday

filthridden wrote:Looks like Issac Luke and Tohu Harris won't be playing on Sunday.

sh!t, with connor watson and harris out my sportsdeck draft team is rooted.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Agree with what you are saying.

My hunch though is that the contracts put out for these stats are at a dollar value that reflects the quality of the information being gathered. It seems there is just simply not an appetite for better quality data.

There is an easy fix, but it has to be demand driven.

I think the switching of stats had more to do with getting a contract for somebody's mate when they changed everything over to Telstra/Fanhub than any real dollar or quality concern.

The people that make these decisions wouldn't actually use the product to know which is better so they'd just go on the quality of the sales pitch/golf day

Milchcow wrote:

I think the switching of stats had more to do with getting a contract for somebody's mate when they changed everything over to Telstra/Fanhub than any real dollar or quality concern.

The people that make these decisions wouldn't actually use the product to know which is better so they'd just go on the quality of the sales pitch/golf day

I remember an article about the clubs being forced to change providers as well and most not being at all happy about it.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Agreed. There are a few more stats they track, but yup its pretty clear cut. But thats part of the reason NFL fantasy is so appealing. Sunday in the US isn't a day for Church any more its a day for fantasy football!!

The NRL could do well to learn from that and develop the fantasy game so that there is less ambiguity. Its a different game for sure, but clear definitions and more care taken to score as per those definitions you could eliminate 99% of the fuckups.

eh, they used to stick to clear cut stats back when it was Dream Team, and it resulted in players wearing numbers 1-7 being largely irrelevant unless they were try-scoring freaks, and even then they could barely hold a 35 point average

mickspicks wrote:imo Isaako isn’t a true trysaver because from memory it was pure luck his foot was there? Maybe I’m remembering it wrong.

As opposed to Billy Slater who use to just kick cunts. We're they try saves as it was intentional ?

How good is social media after a controversial Broncos win

B/L wrote:How good is social media after a controversial Broncos win

It’s fucked man I’ve given myself a Twitter ban today. Heaven help us if we ever get an actual massive blunder in our favour like a few other teams lately

Welshy wrote:
Because the forum isn’t loaded with Sharks fans pal and Rev I’m sure it was admitted they got it gifted. Most agreed the donkeys still deserved to win but the sharks had 50 calls go against them and no calls at the death when multi Le penalties should of been awarded

All i have in the back of my mind is how well on the ladder the Sharks are doing, and we literally havent fired a shot all year. The best we looked was a few back against the Choccy soldiers, when Moylan looked gr8.
Overall, i deadset think some here dont watch much Nrl at all. People hold bias so close to their own team, like they have been butchered every week or something. Everyone cops the so called bias unfair calls etc, its partly why i dont dwell on it to much.
Last night was a solid game, cant complain to much as Chubface Chad should have banged the goal over and it probably would have been a field goal fest at the end.

And im putting the final stamp on the Isaako trysave saga - it was accidental or luck that his foot was their, so if thats considered a trysave id prefer the stat scrapped.

Tohu and Luke OUT for warriors