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Verbal Kint wrote:Great work Cap

My thoughts based on the early discussion here - trading Taupau would be a waste of a trade. We don't trade keepers, right? I also think Holland could do with a bit more time.

At this point, I think only Garrick needs a look (potential failed cow) - depending on what options pop up on TLT. Bank a trade early doors. Although, I'm holding Garrick if named.

Bateman looks to be the only close to 'must have' that was missed. Essentially, we cant have everyone - some will slip through. Do we need to trade a keeper or cut a mid-pricer to make this happen? I'm not sure.

Lastly, whoever voted for Sivo to start needs a 1 week ban from any votes this week

100%!! I dont know why he is in the discussion at all. He's FRF2, we got him cause FRF is pretty light on quality and value - nothing has really changed there. Would be a mistake to trade him....

Herein lies the challenge of this team though!! Did you guys work out a plan for how to deal with trades each week? Are you gonna put it to a vote? or are you going to have an executive team that makes the call based on opinions stated in the thread. I strongly urge you to go with option B because coordinating trades week by week is gonna come unstuck with the poll option IMO!! Despite how quickly things change in fantasy week-to-week, I thing you really do need to look at least 2 weeks out when making trades.

If this was my own team I'd go Holland to Burns and Garrick to Lawrie. Then fiddle it around so Capewell is at centre, Burns wing, Lawrie 14-17 and Sivo NPR.*

*logic being that Lawrie will generate more cash than Garrick and be playable in 17. Capewell moves to centre meaning Burns can be a safer scorer at wing than Sivo/Rava. I also think Holland is overrated on here. A centre on a wooden spoon team is scoring under 30 more often than not, goalkicks or not.

I guess what I want is for this to be a community team and not a select groups second team. Trades will be voted for week by week and because of that we may struggle with conflicting ideas. But hey that's kinda the point I guess

The discussion here already is good. Some trades are focused on the short term and some are focused on the long term. Hopefully by the time Tuesday and team lists rock up there will be enough ideas that I can put forward for what I'd like to be a weekly vote. Note I won't put up every trade - I'll try and keep it to what I consider the best 3 - 8 ideas (maybe a few more in just these early weeks).

I'll try and justify the logic of each trade suggestion in the vote (i.e. leaves cash for future upgrades, cash generation, Savings for buying Crichton).

As an example of what the poll could look like on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning:

- No trades (55k ITB)
- Garrick to Host (9k ITB)
- Holland to Burns and
Garrick to Lawrie (43k ITB)
- Holland to Host and
Edwards to Gillet (190k ITB)
(Ravalawa to WFB)
- Taupau to Bateman and
Garrick to Host (223k ITB)


I'd also copy and paste the logic of the original poster in the first post with a shoutout so for more advanced planning (i.e. weeks in advance) people could see our plan. In a few weeks we may want funds to buy Crichton for example so someone may suggest some trades that leave us with cash to jump on that. Also this team started cash light so while I'd love to wait and see on our guns its all about the quick money - Trading Taupau is crazy as he's likely a season winner but if there's a good cash argument to be made now is the time. I don't think the team is bad enough to warrant it but if we traded Taupau for 2-3 must haves in the coming weeks I'd be okay with it. Personally cant see who it'd be though.

It's not the cleanest but it stays true to making this a community team so that's what I want to try to begin with.

Pahh Burns over Bird means I wouldn't have to run the gauntlet of Sivo/Ravalawa.

Burns did look very good mind, but all just R1 and lack of previous fantasy CTR scoring

Cap'n Ranta wrote:I guess what I want is for this to be a community team and not a select groups second team. Trades will be voted for week by week and because of that we may struggle with conflicting ideas. But hey that's kinda the point I guess

The discussion here already is good. Some trades are focused on the short term and some are focused on the long term. Hopefully by the time Tuesday and team lists rock up there will be enough ideas that I can put forward for what I'd like to be a weekly vote. Note I won't put up every trade - I'll try and keep it to what I consider the best 3 - 8 ideas (maybe a few more in just these early weeks).  

I'll try and justify the logic of each trade suggestion in the vote (i.e. leaves cash for future upgrades, cash generation, Savings for buying Crichton).

As an example of what the poll could look like on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning:

- No trades (55k ITB)
- Garrick to Host (9k ITB)
- Holland to Burns and
 Garrick to Lawrie (43k ITB)
- Holland to Host and
 Edwards to Gillet (190k ITB)
 (Ravalawa to WFB)
- Taupau to Bateman and
 Garrick to Host (223k ITB)


I'd also copy and paste the logic of the original poster in the first post with a shoutout so for more advanced planning (i.e. weeks in advance) people could see our plan. In a few weeks we may want funds to buy Crichton for example so someone may suggest some trades that leave us with cash to jump on that. Also this team started cash light so while I'd love to wait and see on our guns its all about the quick money - Trading Taupau is crazy as he's likely a season winner but if there's a good cash argument to be made now is the time. I don't think the team is bad enough to warrant it but if we traded Taupau for 2-3 must haves in the coming weeks I'd be okay with it. Personally cant see who it'd be though.

It's not the cleanest but it stays true to making this a community team so that's what I want to try to begin with.

Agree on the voting method. I think it would be good to have an outline of the pros and cons of each option, how it impacts the team being played that week and going forward

I wonder if it would be worth making a ranked list here of the players we need to target? That would help refine the trade ideas. For example, in no particular order, names that are coming up lots seem to be:

Host, Lawrie, Burns, Bird, Gillett, Bateman etc.

Any chance we could have a poll on that? Most importantly it would make sure we are targeting the right guys, refine/restrict those trade ideas to the most relevant and therefore I'd say you could then narrow the trade options voting from 3-8 to more like 2-4.

Cap'n Ranta wrote:I guess what I want is for this to be a community team and not a select groups second team. Trades will be voted for week by week and because of that we may struggle with conflicting ideas. But hey that's kinda the point I guess

The discussion here already is good. Some trades are focused on the short term and some are focused on the long term. Hopefully by the time Tuesday and team lists rock up there will be enough ideas that I can put forward for what I'd like to be a weekly vote. Note I won't put up every trade - I'll try and keep it to what I consider the best 3 - 8 ideas (maybe a few more in just these early weeks).  

I'll try and justify the logic of each trade suggestion in the vote (i.e. leaves cash for future upgrades, cash generation, Savings for buying Crichton).

As an example of what the poll could look like on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning:

- No trades (55k ITB)
- Garrick to Host (9k ITB)
- Holland to Burns and
 Garrick to Lawrie (43k ITB)
- Holland to Host and
 Edwards to Gillet (190k ITB)
 (Ravalawa to WFB)
- Taupau to Bateman and
 Garrick to Host (223k ITB)


I'd also copy and paste the logic of the original poster in the first post with a shoutout so for more advanced planning (i.e. weeks in advance) people could see our plan. In a few weeks we may want funds to buy Crichton for example so someone may suggest some trades that leave us with cash to jump on that. Also this team started cash light so while I'd love to wait and see on our guns its all about the quick money - Trading Taupau is crazy as he's likely a season winner but if there's a good cash argument to be made now is the time. I don't think the team is bad enough to warrant it but if we traded Taupau for 2-3 must haves in the coming weeks I'd be okay with it. Personally cant see who it'd be though.

It's not the cleanest but it stays true to making this a community team so that's what I want to try to begin with.

Good way to do it mate. Like it.
Some executive decisions and rules will be needed and expected with something like this.

All i’d suggest is where coming up with moves involving someone like Host, have a similar priced same move but alternative. I don’t rate host at all so in that example, I’m already 3 out of the 4 moves I don’t like. Not the end of the world but will be voting no trade.

Garrick to Lawrie would be my priority from this team.

Coming up with the cash would be the question. so number 3 above looks great.

GreenMachine wrote:
Good way to do it mate. Like it.
Some executive decisions and rules will be needed and expected with something like this.

All i’d suggest is where coming up with moves involving someone like Host, have a similar priced same move but alternative. I don’t rate host at all so in that example, I’m already 3 out of the 4 moves I don’t like. Not the end of the world but will be voting no trade.

I agree with this, hence why I suggest a post TLT poll which aims to rank the players we are targeting to trade in (and potentially out too).

Otherwise I fear there are going to be too many permutations of trade ideas, and a great idea might get put forward with respect to one trade (for arguments sake Holland to Bateman), but the trade not get voted for because the second part of the equation (lets say Edwards to Host) is really not liked.

But if we ranked our trade targets and found that Burns or Lawrie is way more favoured than host we might much more easily come to a quality outcome.

Surely it cant hurt to run a poll to give it a go, right?

- Taupau to Bateman and
Garrick to Host (223k ITB)

I’m thinking Lawrie over Host.

Can we afford Taupau to Lolo
And Garrick to Host/Lawrie ?

Edwards to Burns? Just an option, not necessarily endorsing it.

Bateman needs to come in for Holland but where does the cash come in? :/
Taupau seems like the likely option. Tough calls to be made!

2 other trade options could be:
1. Lane to Bateman and save the other trade; or
2. Lane to Bateman and Garrick to Sele

Dragons vs Souths is a real pain playing the first game of the round as it puts Host, Lawrie and Burns on a quick clock.

I like the idea of running pre-trade polls and I'll look at it in weeks where we have more time but for this week it'll be a bit messier unfortunately.

I will pool through the trade ideas so far and put a poll up with some reasoning. Thanks for all the ideas so far everyone

Nice one cap. Agree in the above goal of Garrick to Lawrie being the standout move so perhaps it’s all about the enabler options for the vote.

Not that we need a FRF on the bench with best DPP in the game sitting there but I mean who would argue in a garrick to Lawrie move lol

filthridden wrote:Edwards to Burns? Just an option, not necessarily endorsing it.

Bateman needs to come in for Holland but where does the cash come in? :/
Taupau seems like the likely option. Tough calls to be made!

This is based on week 1.
While Bateman went well who's to say he scores well again. Taupau was chosen as a keeper and shouldn't be discarded after one rund.

code delta wrote:

This is based on week 1.
While Bateman went well who's to say he scores well again. Taupau was chosen as a keeper and shouldn't be discarded after one rund.

He had 0 offloads in the wet, and it is what he is known for, lead the Superleague last season in offloads by a significant margin.

mattnz wrote:

He had 0 offloads in the wet, and it is what he is known for, lead the Superleague last season in offloads by a significant margin.

So if it's not wet who's to say he scores more with offloads and then scores less elsewhere?
Taupau has a proven scoring record.
Can see where you are coming from but trading a keeper?
Maybe the discussion should be "Is Taupau a keeper?"

We didn't really talk about having spare cash ITB as a pre-requisite when building the team so if we want to make big changes this is how we can do it. Maybe a lesson for next year to have 100k minimum set aside cause if you want to make changes with a low bank you have to cut value picks (not guns).

Totally agree with most that you don't trade guns but of all the cut targets only Taupau is one at the moment and that's based on last season. If we projected him as a 50-55 average he'd be borderline but I'd say he's still a gun.

Holland isn't one as he won't be a top CTR this year (he will be up there but he's not in the top with Latrell, Bateman, Capewll/Nikora). He's closer to Marsters, Roberts, Croker kinda tier.

I'm undecided on Edwards but by definition he isn't a top 3 player. TTurbo and Tedesco are top tier and I don't think Edwards beats out RTS, Ponga and that whole next tier. He could but I'm not confident.

Lane isn't close to a 2RF gun but he's chugging along nicely.

Arrow isn't currently a gun. We totally hope he is and we have backing/data/eyes that tell us he should be. Now if his coach could play him for 60+ minutes that'd be great

Main point is that these were all mid range value picks we hoped were under priced. I don't mind throwing any of them under the bus if it improves our team. But it has to improve based on what these guys should score and not what they got in rd 1.

I.e.

Arrow (55) to Bateman (50)
Garrick (20) to Lawrie (35)

It puts more cash making (double) and points (10/week) on the table. By the time week 4 rolls around the cash is off the table and this trade starts looking more sideways at best.

TLDR - I know the forum has a lot of over reactions to round 1 and the general advice is always don't trade keepers but we need to step back and be able to tell the difference. Also vote for our trades

code delta wrote:

So if it's not wet who's to say he scores more with offloads and then scores less elsewhere?
Taupau has a proven scoring record.
Can see where you are coming from but trading a keeper?
Maybe the discussion should be "Is Taupau a keeper?"

My suggestion is if we want him in, then look at trading Lane. Lane won't be head and shoulders above everyone else in their position like Bateman will be, roughly the same cost and 80 min middle beats 80 minute 2RF any day.

This week Taupau should bounce back. The only prop they have averaged a few minutes last season and got 8 mins last week. Set for huge minutes.

code delta wrote:

So if it's not wet who's to say he scores more with offloads and then scores less elsewhere?
Taupau has a proven scoring record.
Can see where you are coming from but trading a keeper?
Maybe the discussion should be "Is Taupau a keeper?"

That is the right question!

For me its a yes. I know he got 42 in rd 1 but he's a volatile scorer at the best of times. In that pack he should be good for an average of 50-55 which I believe pegs him as the no 2 FRF behind Fifita because of his upside for huge scores compared to say Tolman who may be in the same range but doesn't have the same ceiling.

So +1 don't trade Taupau

EDIT: I probably started this when I wrote him as an option to cut. Was angry at the time and believed his minutes wouldn't sustain the average we want. I realise now it was probably an over reaction to one game and its worth saving a trade on him to see if my initial reaction was wrong