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    Post by GreenMachine Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:21 am

    Random wrote:I think we could do the voting early and then make changes come TLT. Most guys we have a decent idea about, in regards to like Cook, Murray, McCullough, Cleary then the only changes are the rookies.

    Agree.

    TLT could present a series of polls focused on players not in our initial list, named to start.

    E.g. Lachlan Burr at Lock

    Does he;

    Come in for Stimson
    Come in for Nikora (bench)
    Not signed

    Likewise if Murray was named on the bench. Targeted poll


    Can prob sense I’m right into this! I’m fascinated by group think templates

    If wife wasn’t having a baby after season start would be more than happy to help exec committee! Still will contribute as much as can Smile)
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    Post by filthridden Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:27 am

    Keen to be involved.
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    Post by GreenMachine Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:28 am

    Cap'n Ranta wrote:Preliminary Team List

    Feel free to add names to this list by quoting and adding your POI name/s in the relevant section so we keep it to the one list. In a week or two I might try and further sort them into Gun, Value and Cow tiers but this is a start.

    Hookers

    Cook
    CS9
    Macca
    Friend
    Mahoney
    Radley (2RF)
    Egan
    Hampton (CTR)

    FRF

    Fifita
    Taupau (2RF)
    Tolman
    TPJ (2RF)
    Offa
    LAM
    Surgess (2RF)
    Twal (2RF)
    Napa
    Haas
    M Fotuaika

    2RF

    JTurbo
    AChricton
    Murray
    Taupau (FRF)
    Stimson
    TPJ (FRF)
    Arrow
    Gillet
    Surgess (FRF)
    Twal (FRF)
    Papali'i
    D Fifita
    Kikau
    Nikora (CTR)
    Sorensen
    Aubbs (CTR)
    Capewell (CTR)
    Lane
    Leilua
    Radley (HOK)
    Cartwright (HLF)
    J. Bateman (CTR)
    Matterson
    Burr

    HLF

    Keigrhan /Tavita Harris
    Salmon / Brown
    Munster
    Croft
    Moylan (WFB)
    DCE
    Cleary
    Johnson
    Reynolds
    Milford
    Pearce
    Morgan
    Cartwright (2RF)
    Ponga (WFB)
    Watson (WFB)
    Drinkwater/Hughes (WFB)
    Clifford

    CTR

    Mitchell
    Bird
    Xerri
    Moga
    Lomax (WFB)
    Nikora (2RF)
    Aubbs (2RF)
    Capewell (2RF)
    J. Bateman (2RF)
    Hampton (HOK)
    Scott
    Holland

    WFB

    Tedesco
    TTurbo
    Ponga (HLF)
    RTS
    Moylan (HLF)
    Mansour
    Lomax (CTR)
    Allan
    Abbey/CNK
    Drinkwater/Hughes (HLF)
    Edwards
    Watson (HLF)
    B.Morris
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    Post by Chewie Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:33 am

    It's probably a good idea to create a mock up team as a place holder. Just so they (fanhub) can add it as a celebrity team sooner rather than later
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    Post by mattnz Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:44 am

    GreenMachine wrote:

    Yeah I think the first poll to have is one on structure.

    Not so much just base around 2 guns without a vote. The selection committee could pool player groups by price bracket once they know the structure of it is indeed Gun half and Prop as you suggest.

    Would need some bankroll management but 3 poll options could be something like;

    Hookers
    1. Gun Hooker with value backup
    2. Gun Hooker with Gun backup
    3. Hooker frenzy (3-4 of them)

    Props
    1. Gun FRF with Value partner and 1 cheap backup
    2. 2 value props with value backup (one of them DPP)
    3. 1 gun 1 cheap with cheap backup

    Half
    1. 1 Gun 1 Rookie with rookie backup
    2. 2 value picks with rookie backup
    3. 1 value 1 rookie with DPP value backup

    Bench = Above mentioned backups plus base price rookies padding out

    I’m not entirely sure the numbers pool together perfectly but get the drift.

    First vote on team structure then start the player pool voting from your very good initial list for the slots avail


    I think there is a high chance that this method would lead to competing ideas that can't all be done in the same team.

    the method that I used to construct the cookie cutter team was to take all highest % owned players then removed the most expensive players with the lowest ownership that didn't fit under cap at the end. I think a similar approach could be taken here, at TLT.

    Just put up a list by position and everyone votes. Could limit to maybe 2 selections at hooker, 3 in front row, 5 at 2rf, 3 in halves, 3 in centres, 5 at wfb which is 21 votes in total. Then those with highest selection % make it into the team. We ascertain those most selected and then see how we look for the cap.

    Then if there are maybe 18 players that are definite and maybe 3 different combinations that would work under the cap, everyone gets to vote on those 3 options. Should be the fastest and simplest way to get a team together.

    Team make up would be more by the % selection, rather than any other method. I. E. If the 3rd most voted hooker has a higher selection % than the 5th highest wfb we would go with a 3rd hooker.

    DPP players would be allocated to the hardest to fill positions to give the most options. 2rf would be easiest to fill so any 2rf/frf would go in frf voting, any 2rf/Ctr would be listed at Ctr as the preferred playing position for Nikora, capewell etc. Ctr/web get listed at wfb as Ctr will be taken up by the genuine Ctr options like nikora, capewell, holland.

    We could do a pre tlt team using this method now so everyone gets to see how it works, then finalise the actual team post tlt
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    Post by Iron Mike Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:02 am

    The challenge I see with this group team is the massive difference in teams at hooker. Some with 2, some with as many as 4.
    Some with only Mahoney and Egan, others with both Cook and Smith.
    This will change the structure immensely.

    We will need to poll:

    1) 2 guns only
    2) 2 guns + Mahoney and/or Egan
    3) 1 gun + Mahoney and/or Egan
    4) Mahoney and Egan etc

    I am in the camp of giving Cook and Smith a miss but this could be a mistake from the get go.
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    Post by mattnz Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:12 am

    Iron Mike wrote:The challenge I see with this group team is the massive difference in teams at hooker. Some with 2, some with as many as 4.
    Some with only Mahoney and Egan, others with both Cook and Smith.
    This will change the structure immensely.

    We will need to poll:

    1) 2 guns only
    2) 2 guns + Mahoney and/or Egan
    3) 1 gun + Mahoney and/or Egan
    4) Mahoney and Egan etc

    I am in the camp of giving Cook and Smith a miss but this could be a mistake from the get go.

    Can place any dpp hookers at other positions so can still end up with many of them I.e actual hookers mcc smith cook Mahoney Egan as hooker options and tevaga koroisau and Mann in their alternative positions. I have 3 hookers in my team without any of smith mcc or cook by using dpps
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    Post by Milchcow Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:23 am

    One way we could do it is to allow everyone that wants to contribute a certain number points to allocate to a team.

    Come up with 21 players and allocate 1-X points per player based on how much you want them in your team (eg say we rate players out of 5, you might really want Cook as captain, so you give him 5 points, but be unsure of Pangai Junior, so only give him 1)

    I'm happy to collate votes to work out the most supported team (but I don't want the responsibility of actually entering the team each week and dealing with subs/late changes)

    Best way to do it would be wait until TLT as come players coming in or out of your team may change the team structure. That does leave it very tight for getting a team in on time, so for practival reasons we should probably do it earlier.
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    Post by filthridden Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:28 pm

    OK I am going to start my campaign to be on the elite committee of executive decision.

    I am here to represent the common man (or woman, or non-binary gender) of the forum.
    Points? High fantasy score? For most of us that's a pipe dream.

    I will endeavour to select only those players with sick fades, great beards, silly names and of course, only players who keep their socks pulled up during games. We are not animals.

    A vote for filth is a vote for the mediocrity you are all used to.
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    Post by filthridden Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:29 pm

    Milchy wrote:One way we could do it is to allow everyone that wants to contribute a certain number points to allocate to a team.

    Come up with 21 players and allocate 1-X points per player based on how much you want them in your team (eg say we rate players out of 5, you might really want Cook as captain, so you give him 5 points, but be unsure of Pangai Junior, so only give him 1)

    I'm happy to collate votes to work out the most supported team (but I don't want the responsibility of actually entering the team each week and dealing with subs/late changes)

    Best way to do it would be wait until TLT as come players coming in or out of your team may change the team structure. That does leave it very tight for getting a team in on time, so for practival reasons we should probably do it earlier.

    Honestly, I don't see any harm in doing a test-run or two. We've got the time. Iron out the kinks while we can.
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    Post by Milchcow Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:06 pm


    OK, nothing wrong with a test.

    If anyone wants to contribute, please nominate your proposed 21 man squad. Allocate 50 points to the squad as you wish, rating every player from 1 (least wish to have in team) to 5( want this guy in team)
    Post team here or send me a PM, and I'll generate the most popular cap compliant team possible.

    We don't have to use that team, but it can be a start.

    Using player names as spelt on the fantasy site will make my job a lot easier, as tempting as it is to pick CNK/surgess etc using Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad and Sam Burgess will be a help.
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    Post by Shanbon Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:35 pm

    Milch won’t that idea just create a heap of salary cap problems? I would expect a lot of the highest rated ones would be guns and bottom priced cows with the mid rangers who will be very important getting mainly 1’s
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    Post by filthridden Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:41 pm

    Shanbon wrote:Milch won’t that idea just create a heap of salary cap problems? I would expect a lot of the highest rated ones would be guns and bottom priced cows with the mid rangers who will be very important getting mainly 1’s

    Interesting. I was thinking that we could even get too many cashies with people thinking they know who is going be the best chance at being the big money maker.

    The other thing I thought might happen is no one giving a player high points because they think everyone else will. If everyone is giving Tolman high points, I'll have him in my team but I'll allocate points to fringe players like Aubusson and Shaun Johnson to give them a better chance of getting in, knowing Tolman will make the squad anyway... if everyone has the same attitude then Tolman doesn't get in even though the majority had him in their teams and wanted him in.

    Looking forward to seeing the outcome of the trial match team Razz
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    Post by mattnz Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:43 pm

    Shanbon wrote:Milch won’t that idea just create a heap of salary cap problems? I would expect a lot of the highest rated ones would be guns and bottom priced cows with the mid rangers who will be very important getting mainly 1’s

    Agree, gamesmanship of people trying to influence the outcome would see people having lots of 1s and a few 5s. Those that people expect to be guaranteed their spot as high % ownership cows like Brown no-one would give high preferences to in the halves, while the halves they really want to play would get all the 5 votes.
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    Post by mattnz Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:51 pm

    Do most here intend to essentially submit their current team and this then becomes a consensus team from all of us?

    We could make compiling a team much simpler if we just used the top 20 players in each position and used the poll system on here for each position, everyone adds their teams and we then vote where required if not cap compliant at the end.

    That will be a fast, simple, transparent way to do it.
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    Post by filthridden Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:58 pm

    mattnz wrote:Do most here intend to essentially submit their current team and this then becomes a consensus team from all of us?

    We could make compiling a team much simpler if we just used the top 20 players in each position and used the poll system on here for each position, everyone adds their teams and we then vote where required if not cap compliant at the end.

    That will be a fast, simple, transparent way to do it.

    Nah I've thrown my voted team in and its quite different to the team I've picked.

    Let's stick with this method for now and see what it throws up. If it looks well out of whack then we can try another system. Again, we've got tonnes of time for now.
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    Post by mattnz Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:39 pm

    The other advantage of transparent poll based voting is that you can have transferrable votes. If you hate the idea of a pick that is polling well, you can select an alternative that is also polling well, that may not have been your first pick, but is much preferred to other options.
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    Post by Milchcow Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:40 pm


    Once I get enough votes, I was just going to plug the results into my solver to get the best cap compliant team.

    I'm not sure what 'gaming' you think will go on, other than people giving high votes to the people they want in the team, which is the point of the exercise.

    If this team is going to compete as a celebrity team, then we should try and get a competitive team. Not all the risky PODs we don't have the guts to put in our own team.
    It's going to look similar to teams that get posted because
    A) we want good players in this team
    B) we presumably want good players in our own team.

    We shouldn't have to worry about voting intentions, just a way of assembling a team in a cap compliant way. I'm just offering a way to do that.
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    Post by RandomSil Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:53 pm

    I'm interested in trying out Milchs Idea. Do you want it laid out as a team or just like 1-21 with the players as long as it would fit an actual team.
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    Post by Chewie Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:05 pm

    What about using the teams posted in the assistant coach? There are 20 teams already, should be able to work out the most popular picks from there.
    At least it could help putting together an initial team before votes


    IE: It looks like Macca is the most popular hooker in the assistant coach section


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