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    Post by wizard333 Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:46 pm

    Milchcow wrote:I don't understand how this can be the case for so many clubs so often (and especially this early in the season. The Tigers haven't even used that many players yet. They've used 25 players - which is a fair bit for 8 rounds, but how many are outside the top 25*? And has it really put them into trouble?

    Its ridiculous that clubs aren't allowed to play players in first grade for salary cap reasons, yet its perfectly fine for them to have them as part of the club earning a salary.

    Why can't they work out a way of combining the 2 caps completely such that its always OK for contracted players to play first grade. Genuine question
    Is it because of differences in NSW cup and QLD cup? 
    It makes no sense to say that its perfectly OK for the Tigers to pay (for example) Rod Griffin a salary, and have him part of the organisation, but just ban him from actually playing first grade.

    And how come its always the same clubs that run into trouble. Brisbane have to field almost an entirely second string team at least once a year during origin. Why do they never have 2nd tier issues. Is it because their 2nd tier cap has the same magical properties their top tier cap does?


    *Tigers website doesn't actually list their top 25 squad. They have 34 players in their "first grade" profiles section. Used 24 players form their plus JJ Felise from U20s

    Sorry Milchy, we Eels supporters have absolutely no idea how the salary cap works, Neither do our officials unfortunately Embarassed
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    Post by bluetige Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:50 pm

    What gets me about the salary cap is how the fuck are we always in trouble with the cap but clubs like the Roosters, Broncos and Manly never are despite them having players earning more then our scape-goat, Farah. DCE for example. Its not just TPA's either as Uncle harry apparently pays $1M of TPA's to some Tigers players.

    So if we're having problems then some of the other clubs must be rorting the rules, just not getting caught like Parra.

    And by the way, the Tigers top 25 are;
    Teddy
    Noffa
    Kev
    Simona
    Rankin
    Moses
    Brooks
    Sue
    Sirro
    Lawrence
    Woods
    Farah
    Grant
    Ava
    Aloiai
    Cherrington
    Chee Kam
    Buchanan
    Halatau
    Lovett
    Ballin
    Hunt
    Edwards
    Littlejohn
    Drinkwater
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    Post by bluetige Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:08 pm

    If we're having problems with the 2nd tier cap, then why use Malone FFS. Because apparently JT had to please a club sponsor. Don't worry about winning football games just make sure our sponsors are happy. WTF is wrong with the Wests Tigers. End Rant.

    Instead of Milone we could of (and should have) used MCK, JLJ or even move Halatau there. FFS. Now the club is blaming the 2nd tier salary cap for not being able to demote under performing players. Another shit excuse from a pathetic club
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    Post by standard-issue Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:09 pm

    Fuck knows mate. I miss most of the politics and shit over here but just assumed that it snowballed on us from 2010 ish. But that should have well and truly sorted itself out by now.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:27 pm

    bluetige wrote:
    And by the way, the Tigers top 25 are;

    Yuck.

    Start with cutting out Farah then cut out half of the squad and start afresh. According to Zero Tackle the following players are off contract...

    (not sure if its up to date or not but my point still stands)


    Josh Addo-Carr, Jack Buchanan, Tyler Cassel, Michael Chee-Kam, Manaia Cherrington, Josh Drinkwater, JJ Felise, Asipeli Fine, Dallas Graham, Jordan Grant, Rod Griffin, Dene Halatau, Delouise Hoeter, Justin Hunt, Chris Lawrence, Jack Littlejohn, Billy McConnachie, Nathan Milone, Chance Peni, Bayley Sironen, Sauaso Sue

    I would be cutting all of those players except maybe 2-3. Players off contract the Tigers should be targetting...

    J Wallace
    Anderson
    D Fifita
    NAS
    K Bromwich
    Lane
    T Sims
    Bowen
    Peats
    Segeyaro
    ET
    Carter
    C Walker
    Moa

    Sure they may only get 1-2 of them but at some point the Tigers have to take out the trash and start signing some quality. Moses and Brooks are not the answer either. Id Keep Moses and let Des have Brooks.




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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:40 pm

    bluetige wrote:
    And by the way, the Tigers top 25 are;
    Teddy
    Noffa
    Kev
    Simona
    Rankin
    Moses
    Brooks
    Sue
    Sirro
    Lawrence
    Woods
    Farah
    Grant
    Ava

    Aloiai
    Cherrington
    Chee Kam
    Buchanan
    Halatau
    Lovett
    Ballin
    Hunt
    Edwards
    Littlejohn
    Drinkwater

    I would cut the bolded players. Then add a few players...

    Tedesco
    Nofoaluma
    Naqaima
    Simona
    JAD
    Moses
    ??
    Woods
    Segeyaro
    Moa
    Lane
    Lawrence
    ET

    Cherrington
    D Fifita
    J Wallace
    Sue

    The Tigers should sign me as recruitment manager or something.
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    Post by Pieman Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:57 pm

    Mitch Moses out tonight.
    Will really give Brooks a chance to prove his worth without the other half there.

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    Post by bluetige Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:46 am

    Wow! That was unexpected, thanks Souths for playing so shit for 20 minutes. Take nothing from the Tigers though, they turned up tonight and showed what happens when you respect possession, job well done boys, just don't fall back into old habits next game. Congratulations.
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    Post by No Worries Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:16 am

    Thanks to ol mate John Smith our next game is against a Hoppaless Bulldogs in about 3 weeks time.
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    Post by Honeysett Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:20 am

    Your Name wrote:Thanks to ol mate John Smith our next game is against a Hoppaless Bulldogs in about 3 weeks time.

    I thought he got given permission from the church to play?
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    Post by Krump Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:24 am

    Honeysett wrote:

    I thought he got given permission from the church to play?
    Say what?
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    Post by Pieman Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:03 pm

    So, IMO, the Tigers need to get rid of either Brooks or Moses. 1, they cant afford to keep both, and 2 - Both of them play better without the other.

    The first round - Moses was brilliant.
    It carried into the second round and he was great untill Brooks settled back in and the calls were split between both.

    Brooks was outstanding last night without Moses - and the side really benefited from having Lawrence and Sironen defending next to each other instead of Sironen and Moses. Normally, sides target the tigers right side defence because they have Kevvie and Moses defending together - but they didnt last night because it was Lawrence and Kev together.

    They have to let one go (IMO Brooks is a better player and defender) than Moses, I would be getting rid of moses and picking up a good defensive 6 who is ok. Someone like Cody Walker, Blake Green etc someone that doesnt cost a fortune who is a good defender and is a serviceable second fiddle.

    Personally, this year I would play Lawrence at 6 for the rest of the year with Moses at #14 to play a bit of hooker/6/fullback or what ever. Having both Brooks and Moses in the defensive line really weakens the side IMO.

    If they let Moses go - then they can pick up another good prop/back rower.

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    Post by Honeysett Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:14 pm

    Krump wrote:
    Say what?

    No idea where I saw it but I can't find any evidence to back it up, forget I said it.
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    Post by Krump Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:17 pm

    Pieman wrote:So, IMO, the Tigers need to get rid of either Brooks or Moses. 1, they cant afford to keep both, and 2 - Both of them play better without the other.

    The first round - Moses was brilliant.
    It carried into the second round and he was great untill Brooks settled back in and the calls were split between both.

    That is a coaching issue not  player issue

    They have to let one go (IMO Brooks is a better player and defender) than Moses, I would be getting rid of moses and picking up a good defensive 6 who is ok.

    Like Anasta?

    If they let Moses go - then they can pick up another good prop/back rower.

    That's the only upside of letting either one of them go, going off our history though it'd be the wrong one.
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    Post by No Worries Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:23 pm

    Pieman wrote:for the rest of the year with Moses at #14 to play a bit of hooker

    That's just takin the piss
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    Post by Pieman Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:27 pm

    Krump wrote:

    Anasta wasnt that bad at the Tigers I reckon. But no, not like Anasta. Someone who doesnt think they are a superstar.
    Yes, the coaching plays a part in it, but I still think they play better without the other there.

    Yes, fair point on picking the right one.

    I do think that the tigers will have to let one of them go eventually anyway.
    Best case scenario (this is all hypothetical) Both Books and Moses kick into gear and become brilliant halves in their own right. They become the next DCE and Foran pairing. They both command a million a year - along with Tedesco, and Woods will be one of the top earners at prop too.

    One of the halves will have to go because they cant afford to pay all four - IMO they are better off letting one of them go now and concentrating on building a better side instead of focusing on a few players.


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    Post by Pieman Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:29 pm

    Your Name wrote:

    That's just takin the piss

    The bloke needs to work on his defence big time, some short stints at hooker would help.

    But yes I see the irony in that with all the hookers on the books at the moment.

    I would love for the knights to sign Ballin, because surely he isnt going to get a run when everyone is healthy?
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    Post by No Worries Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:00 pm

    Ballin is still on the books next year, surely JT would have to give him the #14 to save face.
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    Post by Pieman Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:34 pm

    Your Name wrote:Ballin is still on the books next year, surely JT would have to give him the #14 to save face.

    If they get rid of Farah for next year, then it becomes a good signing because he can start with Cherrington at #14 or vice versa.
    If they dont though, then they should surely tap Ballin on the shoulder and ask him to move on - or Cherrington is all but gone.

    Surely a couple of clubs would be happy with ballin as starting or back up hooker at their club.



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    Post by bluetige Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:58 pm

    I'd be disappointed if either Broses left, I think when they learn their game they'll steer the Tigers in the right direction, just at the moment they don't have it consistently and certainly don't have the defensive aptitude.

    I would prefer to see them both go back to Intrust cup and learn their trade, (especially defense) and make Rankin and Littlejohn our halves. If they can't dominate there, then 1 should go.

    I know it won't happen but I wouldn't be sad if it did.

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