NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 4

SoylentGreen wrote:Do people really think that Holmes at 600k is overhyped?

I was pointing out he was overhyped because he has higher ownership than the other expensive FBs bar Papenhuyzen (Teddy, Turbo, RTS, Ponga). Obviously ownership at this point is slightly misleading though

Negatives for him fantasy wise would be likely Origin spot and possibly unsettled spine with Drinkwater/Clifford. I reckon though Holmes could benefit Taumalolo average if he follows up on Taumalolo’s barnstorming runs

His high average in back end of 2018 come off 13 tries in 13 games, which after a year off you’d would likely imagine he wouldn’t be able to replicate

Overhyped player - Joe Stimson
Overhyped team - Panthers
Surprise team - Tigers
Surprise player - Bryce Cartwright
Rising star - Harry Grant
Highest average - Payne Haas
Disappointing gun - Mitch Moses

Overhyped player - dfifita
Overhyped team - cowboys
Surprise team - Panthers
Surprise player - mann
Rising star - Harry Grant
Highest average - Payne Haas
Disappointing gun - Mitch Moses

Predictions for 2020
Over hyped player - Isaako, Brimson or Su’a
Over hyped team - Broncos
Surprise team - Cowboys
Surprise Player - Williams (both Sharks and Raiders)
Rising star - No idea. Feel out of touch with this year’s rookies
Highest average scoring Fantasy player - Cook
Most disappointing fantasy gun - N.Brown

rhinoceroo wrote:

Overhyped player - Best
Overhyped team - Souths as usual
Surprise team - Sharks top 4, Panthers bottom 4
Surprise player - Levi
Rising star - Lumelume, Storm
Highest average - Haas
Disappointing gun - Moses

Yeah actually I change my overhyped to Best. Definitely wins “over owned” anyway

Not sure who was asking about Mann's tackle stats but all games from 2017-2019 are available to watch on NRL.com if anyone wants to watch "outlier" games to find out why a player scored so well

I watched some of the Tigers Knights game from round 19 last year. This was the week Mann had 34 fantasy points including 35 tackles and 3 misses.

Mann was incredibly active on kick chase, with Newcastle prefering to kick down to his corner and Mann leading the chase with some good contact, hit and stick and then working hard from marker. Had a lot of set where following a kick chase he would make 2-3 extra tackles chasing from marker which is fantastic from a football point of view. 1 on 1 defense looks a little shaking in terms of decision making, but he seems up for the contact. Based on what I saw from that game his tackle numbers look fairly sustainable

Overhyped player - dfifita
Overhyped team - Raiders (this hurts to say, just don’t have confidence they can repeat defensive effort)
Surprise team - Eels
Surprise player - simmonson
Rising star - Harry Grant
Highest average - Payne Haas
Disappointing gun - Afifita

Overhyped player - Boozecluez
Overhyped team - Usual Suspects
Surprise team - Trousers
Surprise player - StormTrooper96
Rising star - FalconSloth
Highest average - Chewie
Disappointing gun - My TV Broke

No Worries wrote:Overhyped player - Boozecluez
Overhyped team - Usual Suspects
Surprise team - Trousers
Surprise player - StormTrooper96
Rising star - FalconSloth
Highest average - Chewie
Disappointing gun - My TV Broke

Theres no surprise in them trousers

Overhyped player - Blayke Brailey
Overhyped team - Souths
Surprise team - Broncos
Surprise player - Lucy
Rising star - Starford Toa and Leleisiauo
Highest average - Payne Haas
Disappointing gun - Teddy

No Worries wrote:Overhyped player - Boozecluez
Overhyped team - Usual Suspects
Surprise team - Trousers
Surprise player - StormTrooper96
Rising star - FalconSloth
Highest average - Chewie
Disappointing gun - My TV Broke

Fool

Martin Gabor
@MartinJGabor
A couple of takeaways from my chat with Damien Cook. Dane Gagai will be on the right wing this year. There could be a smokey in the back row. Captain hasn’t been decided but it’ll be out of the three man leadership group. Reynolds and Walker the leading candidates

Maybe Keaon Koloamatangi or Bayley Sironen?

I've seen a few people rave about Keaon..

my tv broke wrote:Martin Gabor
@MartinJGabor
A couple of takeaways from my chat with Damien Cook. Dane Gagai will be on the right wing this year. There could be a smokey in the back row. Captain hasn’t been decided but it’ll be out of the three man leadership group. Reynolds and Walker the leading candidates

Maybe Keaon Koloamatangi or Bayley Sironen?

I've seen a few people rave about Keaon..

A cheap 60+ minute 2RF will make things simple. Keaon is listed as a FRF and would get dual if he started 2RF, juicy!

Siebold not really giving anything away other than confirming he thinks TPJ is best as an edge forward..

“We’ve got the luxury of three really quality backrowers in Tevita, David and Alex Glenn. Those three guys are fighting it out for two of those positions. They are really good ball carriers and they threaten the line. We’re just working hard with all three on their defence. Those three guys are each in really good shape. They’re working really hard. Tevita has got that flexibility that he’s played a heap of middle in the past. One thing I do know, is that we’re a much better team when Tevita is in it and firing. I do think his best position is an edge backrower but how aggressive he is and some of his actions on both sides of the footy, he’s a real big middle forward as well.”

Some surprising ownership stats:
Starford Toa already at 18% - really hope he is a bolter, at worst an injury away
Mann just 4% - very surprising
Lucy only 3%
Garner only 1% - nice POD
JMK only 2%
Carrigan only 1%
Burns only 2% - huge if he fires as expected and guns it
Holmes 20% - much higher than I expected at that price point
Tino 18% - will be surprised if he gets the role that supports such high ownership

my tv broke wrote:Siebold not really giving anything away other than confirming he thinks TPJ is best as an edge forward..

“We’ve got the luxury of three really quality backrowers in Tevita, David and Alex Glenn. Those three guys are fighting it out for two of those positions. They are really good ball carriers and they threaten the line. We’re just working hard with all three on their defence. Those three guys are each in really good shape. They’re working really hard. Tevita has got that flexibility that he’s played a heap of middle in the past. One thing I do know, is that we’re a much better team when Tevita is in it and firing. I do think his best position is an edge backrower but how aggressive he is and some of his actions on both sides of the footy, he’s a real big middle forward as well.”

I'm going to be really pissed off if Fifita is on the bench round 1. Going to be even more pissed off if he starts and just gets 50 minutes or doesnt start round 2. The guy is on track to be in the conversation as an immortal, the other 2 are just good players. No idea why Siebold can't see that.

The last 2RF that was this good at that age was SBW, havent seen anyone else close to him since.

Also means Carrigan should be in line for big minutes if TPJ isnt getting them in the middle rotation.

Mighty Fishes wrote:

No Worries wrote:Overhyped player - Boozecluez
Overhyped team - Usual Suspects
Surprise team - Trousers
Surprise player - StormTrooper96
Rising star - FalconSloth
Highest average - Chewie
Disappointing gun - My TV Broke

Theres no surprise in them trousers

mattnz wrote:
I'm going to be really pissed off if Fifita is on the bench round 1. Going to be even more pissed off if he starts and just gets 50 minutes or doesnt start round 2. The guy is on track to be in the conversation as an immortal, the other 2 are just good players. No idea why Siebold can't see that.

The last 2RF that was this good at that age was SBW, havent seen anyone else close to him since.

why won't NRL coaches do what fantasy nerds want them to?

SBW didn't even start consistently in the second row until his 4th year in the NRL in 2007

Immortal. Steady on. He’s not even the best u21 forward in his club.

my tv broke wrote:

why won't NRL coaches do what fantasy nerds want them to?

SBW didn't even start consistently in the second row until his 4th year in the NRL in 2007

I don’t even think from a fantasy perspective it would be that bad. Instead of everyone being forced into a 680k backrower you’d get some diversity - some would shift up to a true gun 2RF and skimp somewhere else, others would find a mid-range cow and use the extra 150-300k to upgrade elsewhere. I’d probably go the latter tbh.