NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 4

mattnz wrote:

Lolo is a great example of how much growth a player a middle forward has in their early 20s.

In 2014 he averaged 41
2015 averaged 43
2016 averaged 49
2017 averaged 62

Haas may not gain 20 points the next 3 seasons, but 10+ is certainly in reach as he matures and grows as a player.

2014 Taumalolo played 19/23 games on the edge, with 2 games at lock and 2 off the bench. The main change with Taumalolo was extra minutes he picked up.

2015 Taumalolo averaged 49 minutes with 20/21 games starting at lock

2016 Taumalolo averaged 50.5 minutes with 24/24 games starting at lock

2017 Taumalolo averaged 62 minutes with 22/22 games starting at lock

Unless Haas picks up an extra 15 minutes a week in a stacked pack he isn't going to increase his average by 10 points

Haas scored a lot of big points towards the ends of games last year because the Broncos attack was so embarassing that they all ended up standing around looking at each other until someone just dumped the ball in Haas's (or Fifitas) hands and he said "well fuck this, ill run".

Will be interesting to see how the new spine goes. If things click then you could argue that Haas will get less junk runs.. at the same time, if youve got a guy like Haas youd think youd try work him into some attacking plays

my tv broke wrote:

RandomSil wrote:So is the Grant hype confirming he is starting HOK or is he backup to Mbye? If Grant is on the bench is anyone starting with him?

HOKs needed this year: B. Brailey, Korisau, Levi, Mann, Grant, Egan

Aint no way they are making the trade to use Grant off the bench

They traded a CTR when they have depth and a wealth of HOK injuries.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

2014 Taumalolo played 19/23 games on the edge, with 2 games at lock and 2 off the bench. The main change with Taumalolo was extra minutes he picked up.

2015 Taumalolo averaged 49 minutes with 20/21 games starting at lock

2016 Taumalolo averaged 50.5 minutes with 24/24 games starting at lock

2017 Taumalolo averaged 62 minutes with 22/22 games starting at lock

Unless Haas picks up an extra 15 minutes a week in a stacked pack he isn't going to increase his average by 10 points

Jurbo plays 80 mins every week, JFH does most weeks. Haas has already shown he can do it. No reason it can't be his normal time on the field, in the same way that Taumalolo, Jurbo and JFH increased their minutes as they matured as players and demonstrated their importance of being on the field for longer periods.

He is likely to have a breakout season where he busts over for 10 tries like James did a few seasons ago while playing prop.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:My main thoughts on Haas come down to the fact that I think you can get comparable scores for cheaper price

Cook scoring 64 points a week vs Haas scoring 67 points a week sees you losing 15 points over the first 5 weeks in exchange for 60k. That's the difference between playing Adam Reynolds and Nathan Cleary, which should more than make up the difference if spent correctly. The difference is even more extreme when choosing someone that didn't get the fanhub tax. Taumalolo averaged 64 when healthy and can be had for 125k less than Haas. That could be the difference between starting with Mitchell Moses and Corey Norman in the halves

I can see what you mean, but there is just so much value across the board. Though now I want to try Taumalolo in my squad. I am not sure what FRFs I would run as I have A. Fifita or what rookie I would offload in his place.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

mattnz wrote:

Its double that, because he is the captain

The difference is still easily made up by the other players

I'd back Taumalolo(c) and Moses to outscore Haas(c) and Norman

I get this, but there is value in the HLFs with guys like Brimson, Croft and Drinkwater. The position with the least amount of value this year is FRF.

I thought it was Bradman Best, not Bradman Haas. He’s going to average 99.94 in a couple of seasons on some trajectories here. I’m 90% sure I’m not starting with him

RandomSil wrote:

I get this, but there is value in the HLFs with guys like Brimson, Croft and Drinkwater. The position with the least amount of value this year is FRF.

I can definitely see the value in starting with Haas. I just don't see him as an auto pick like some here

Locked in captain
Highest scorer in a weak FRF position
Will be a final 17 player even with a 10 point average drop

robelgordo wrote:I thought it was Bradman Best, not Bradman Haas. He’s going to average 99.94 in a couple of seasons on some trajectories here. I’m 90% sure I’m not starting with him

No one here is going to that extreme with him, not even me, but anyone that thinks the best front rower in the game had his peak fantasy year in his first full season at 19, (with just 4 tries) is kidding themselves.

This year may not be his breakout season, but it will happen at some point in his early to mid 20s unless he gets injured.

Well moving off that would you rather..

A. Fifita, D. Fifita & W. Egan
A. Fifita, J. Taumalolo & $246k player
M. Fotuiaka, J. Taumalolo & D. Levi

mattnz wrote:

No one here is going to that extreme with him, not even me, but anyone that thinks the best front rower in the game had his peak fantasy year in his first full season at 19, (with just 4 tries) is kidding themselves.

This year may not be his breakout season, but it will happen at some point in his early to mid 20s unless he gets injured.

You could have said the same thing about Angus Crichton in 2017. Averaged 66.9 as a starting second rower at age 21 in his second year of first grade. He has followed it up by not coming close to repeating those numbers in 2018 and 2019

RandomSil wrote:Well moving off that would you rather..

A. Fifita, D. Fifita & W. Egan
A. Fifita, J. Taumalolo & $246k player
M. Fotuiaka, J. Taumalolo & D. Levi

If the offer is Koroisau instead of Levi I would go with option C

Host or Lawrie?

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

RandomSil wrote:Well moving off that would you rather..

A. Fifita, D. Fifita & W. Egan
A. Fifita, J. Taumalolo & $246k player
M. Fotuiaka, J. Taumalolo & D. Levi

If the offer is Koroisau instead of Levi I would go with option C

Koro is already in the squad.

Anyone want to take a stab at starting middles for the Tigers and minutes.

mattnz wrote:

No one here is going to that extreme with him, not even me, but anyone that thinks the best front rower in the game had his peak fantasy year in his first full season at 19, (with just 4 tries) is kidding themselves.

This year may not be his breakout season, but it will happen at some point in his early to mid 20s unless he gets injured.

He’s priced at 68, I’ll take the under for 2020.

RandomSil wrote:Well moving off that would you rather..

A. Fifita, D. Fifita & W. Egan
A. Fifita, J. Taumalolo & $246k player
M. Fotuiaka, J. Taumalolo & D. Levi

I think the last one. Not the first one

What are ppls players over 600k..
Mcinnes haas Dfifita Cleary paps friend

multiple.scoregasms wrote:You could have said the same thing about Angus Crichton in 2017. Averaged 66.9 as a starting second rower at age 21 in his second year of first grade. He has followed it up by not coming close to repeating those numbers in 2018 and 2019

I remember (perhaps incorrectly) that Crichton was generally expected by this forum to regress in year two and wasn't even remotely as prolific in draft teams as Haas has been this year.

There are some pretty damn logical reasons to expect regression from Haas this year; he is probably going to be played around by opponents a lot more after a full offseason to study his film, plus the Broncos (theoretically) wont run their entire offense through him like they did last year (because they wont have to, right?). On the other hand, FRF has been a shit show at the fuck factory for a long time in terms of easily identified value vs. return. I'm just personally happy to have someone to plug in there who isn't Andrew Fifita

Individual wrote:What are ppls players over 600k..
Mcinnes haas Dfifita Cleary paps  friend

Haas, Takieaho, Brown, Fifita, Cleary, Pap