NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 23 - Trade-a-palooza

Raudonikis's Wet Ciggies wrote:

api
knight hass
Williams carrigan tapine
JMK luai
Williame tuala
drinkwater aekins papenhyzen

horse Bbrailey walters Ekatoa
JTB cleary Dfifita TPJ

What trades should I be looking at, I am also looking to hold Dfifita.

Williams to Grant.

Aekins has to go as well so try upgrading him to Isaako.

Tuala could lose his spot to Best so that could be a trade.

Walters to Fogarty is also an option.

I’d look to upgrade TPJ to a Twal or Yeo.

Actually trying to get Lolo in is the biggest priority.

mattnz wrote:
Taupau, Klemmer, but happy to have Carrigan or Horse there averaging 50 vs the others at 55 for now, next to Haas. Not urgent upgrades, can wait for one to get injured during a game and buy at a discount later. FRF isn't an urgent need in my team, will focus on other positions for now.

Don’t know if Klemmer is going to get the mins he was getting early last year (65+) under Nathan Brown. Kinda evidenced by 2 games under interim coach where mins under 60 with similar happening in 2 games so far under Adam O’Brien (49 mins both times)

He usually hits 1 PPM so is dependent on mins

Rabbits21 wrote:
Your team is so similar to mine mate. You have 19 out of 21 that I have except I have Knight over Levi and Wiliame whilst you have Lomax. I have around 75k spare though so a bit more than you do.

The Fifita to Lolo and Williams to Grant trades are ones I’ll definitely make. The other potential 2 trades are pending TLT.

I’m looking at Watkins to Fogarty mate tbh as he’s basement price and there is little risk involved. I’m keeping an eye though on Magoulias. Hopoate will only get 3 weeks so he’s too short term for mine.

If Aubbo is benched I’ll be looking to trade him out shift Shiba to centre and bring in Tommy T or Teddy.

If Aubbo starts then I can hold Knight another week just like you can do with Levi or we could pull the trigger. For mine I can see why White Lightning is bringing in guys like Twal and Yeo but for mine I don’t think I want to risk trading them in and then having to trade them out again down the line if they don’t average keeper like scores. I got burnt by Twal last season too so am a bit wary. I do not think he will keep seeing 60-65mins either.  I would prefer to bring a Taupau or Matterson in a proven keeper.  If cash is an issue though for you the best available to bring in would be Twal or Yeo for Levi.

Thoughts mate on what I’ve said? Have you anything to add back at me as well that I may not have thought of?


P.s... I wouldn’t trade Cleary, I’d hold.

Cheers mate for your reply. Yeah I’m definitely thinking along the same lines as you. Fogarty will be an option for me as I can’t afford Watkins and Levi to Magoulias and Turbo so I’m jealous of you there haha. Knight definitely has the potential so I would give him another week to see what he produces and if he stinks it up he will be top of your chop list next week. I could do the same with Levi but I guess I’m just uncertain on Shibasaki and his scoring potential(granted he has looked ok) so I would rather run the risk of Luai for 2 weeks over him I suppose and bring in Turbo straight away. Would definitely go for Matto over Twal if you go down that road mate. And yep I’m definitely not selling Cleary either. I’m fairly sure Aubusson will be starting too but I’ve got nothing to back that up. Fingers crossed

Taupau is the safe proven option for a second keeper prop for mine.

Twal would be next in line.

danseels1985 wrote:

Cheers mate for your reply. Yeah I’m definitely thinking along the same lines as you. Fogarty will be an option for me as I can’t afford Watkins and Levi to Magoulias and Turbo so I’m jealous of you there haha. Knight definitely has the potential so I would give him another week to see what he produces and if he stinks it up he will be top of your chop list next week. I could do the same with Levi but I guess I’m just uncertain on Shibasaki and his scoring potential(granted he has looked ok) so I would rather run the risk of Luai for 2 weeks over him I suppose and bring in Turbo straight away. Would definitely go for Matto over Twal if you go down that road mate. And yep I’m definitely not selling Cleary either. I’m fairly sure Aubusson will be starting too but I’ve got nothing to back that up. Fingers crossed

All the best mate.

Looking forward to chatting and vice versa come Tuesday night.

WT2K wrote:

Asked WT about Eisenhuth in the last week or so

Brent Read also saying Russell Packer on the radar

That would be awesome! We could then afford to pay Bateman the $1,000,000 his manager thinks he’s worth!

mattnz wrote:Apparently Jrey to Bulldogs deal is dead. Really relieved as a JMK and Wakeham owner. https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2020-josh-reynolds-bulldogs-wests-tigers-contract-rugby-league/news-story/4b656a499a36fd8a125ef9b00dcf2f84

As a Tigers supporter I am devastated! I knew this rumour was too good to be true!

Just some maths on remaining trades.

Lets assume you used 2 trades after round 1, and the full 4 this week.

Then you have 22 trades left for 21 spots in your squad.

Once you make your 2nd trade in round 4, then there is 1 player who is guaranteed to stay in your team for the rest of the comp.
If you spend that trade on a cash cow you intend to replace, that means an extra player in your squad who'll be there for the duration.

If you use max trades for the next 2 rounds, there are guaranteed 3 players you will never trade out.
That assumes you don't have to spend any trades in injuries.

Its where guns and cows are rewarded this season. Personally, I have Ponga, Cleary and Tauamalolo (and maybe on Aubusson) but after that, every player in my squad is unlikely to be an ideal final 17 player. But unless I get real lucky with cash generation and injuries, some of them are going to have to be. I guess everyone has hopes Grant will score well enough to keep. Maybe Koroisau will be able to hang around.

I see people trading people in because they have a good run of 4 fixtures - is the rest of your team good enough to allow you to spend trades bringing in guys for form?
if you are making decisions between say Issako or Valentine Holmes - you really should do so on the assumption that they will be in your team all season - because a bad week or 2 with injury/suspension and they will end up with you by default

Great post as usual Milchy

Personally I currently have 9 players I'm happy to have hanging around final 17

Cook, Friend, Koroisau - Cook a captaincy option, the other 2 should be 50+ average players. Lock them in for final 17
Carrigan - While he stays at lock he will be putting up scores around 50, which puts him firmly in the keeper FRF discussion. Can't see myself burning a trade for marginal upgrade to Taupau/Klemmer/Papalii/Twal/AFB
Taumalolo - Another captaincy option and the best valued one at the start of the season
Cleary - Will end the year as one of the top 3 halves which is good enough for me
Turbo, Drinkwater, Papenhuyzen - Turbo will be among the top 4 WFBs (RTS, Teddy, Ponga) and is currently the cheaper. Drinkwater will have a solid base while in the halves and should be good for a 40+ average. Papenhuyzen is in enough teams that he isn't worth the trade out. Will at some point hit a ceiling score, I see him settling around a 40-42 average

That leaves me needing to find 8 players from 24 remaining trades, excluding injuries. I don't see how anyone gets close to an ideal final 17 unless we have the likes of Grant and Magoulias turning into keepers

Great Point Milchy

I currently have Haas, Cleary and Moses as my definite final 17 players

I then have Carrigan, Aubo and Koroisau who should be final 17 player (aubo definitely is if he maintains that second row spot)

My second tier maybes are Papenhuyzen, Drinkwater and Leilua

that leaves me needing to find probably between 12 - 8 players from 22 trades

Milchcow wrote:
Just some maths on remaining trades.

Lets assume you used 2 trades after round 1, and the full 4 this week.

Then you have 22 trades left for 21 spots in your squad.

Once you make your 2nd trade in round 4, then there is 1 player who is guaranteed to stay in your team for the rest of the comp.
If you spend that trade on a cash cow you intend to replace, that means an extra player in your squad who'll be there for the duration.

If you use max trades for the next 2 rounds, there are guaranteed 3 players you will never trade out.
That assumes you don't have to spend any trades in injuries.

Its where guns and cows are rewarded this season. Personally, I have Ponga, Cleary and Tauamalolo (and maybe on Aubusson) but after that, every player in my squad is unlikely to be an ideal final 17 player. But unless I get real lucky with cash generation and injuries, some of them are going to have to be. I guess everyone has hopes Grant will score well enough to keep. Maybe Koroisau will be able to hang around.

I see people trading people in because they have a good run of 4 fixtures - is the rest of your team good enough to allow you to spend trades bringing in guys for form?
if you are making decisions between say Issako or Valentine Holmes - you really should do so on the assumption that they will be in your team all season - because a bad week or 2 with injury/suspension and they will end up with you by default

Absolutely spot on! which is why discussions about spending $700-$800k on a dude who ‘might‘ be a final 17 player need to be treated as a punt which may cost two trades to fix. The ability to comeback from a punt gone wrong is severely compromised from here on in for any number of reasons (mostly that the first 4-6 trades you use will be spent fixing your team up).
The reality now is that we can’t really jump on every base line half and shrug it off if he gets dropped two weeks later.
Also if guys like Api, Drinkwater, Papy and Cardigan are in your team they are staying there until injury or the last few rounds.
All purchases from here on in need to be super considered.

I didn't count Papy, Carrigan or Drinkwater as final team players

Certainly Papenhuyzen will become Teddy/Trbo/someone at some point if I get a chance.
Pap's last 5 average at fullback is 40 - that's low enough below top tier that it will be worth it to move it on unless he shows something soon.

Milchcow wrote:
I didn't count Papy, Carrigan or Drinkwater as final team players

Certainly Papenhuyzen will become Teddy/Trbo/someone at some point if I get a chance.
Pap's last 5 average at fullback is 40  - that's low enough below top tier that it will be worth it to move it on unless he shows something soon.

They are definitely not final 17 but I figure that they will be around until they can be swapped in one trade for a gun. I have seen a few trades like Papy to Drinkwater (to make a few  quick $$ or in some cases just to trade) or Fifita to Yeo mentioned and I think mid to mid is not something that is going to lead anywhere good this year

Edit : I am not convinced Yeo is going to be someone you need to have in your team in round 20

Aardvark wrote:

Absolutely spot on! which is why discussions about spending $700-$800k on a dude who ‘might‘ be a final 17 player need to be treated as a punt which may cost two trades to fix. The ability to comeback from a punt gone wrong is severely compromised from here on in for any number of reasons (mostly that the first 4-6 trades you use will be spent fixing your team up).
The reality now is that we can’t really jump on every base line half and shrug it off if he gets dropped two weeks later.
Also if guys like Api, Drinkwater, Papy and Cardigan are in your team they are staying there until injury or the last few rounds.
All purchases from here on in need to be super considered.

If your aim is to win overall then youve gotta get lucky with some punts thougg. If you stick to the guys who are tried and true youll do well but you wont win the lot.

Reading these keeper lists makes me sad. I have fuck all real keepers in my team.

Haas and Ponga are top tier
Koro, Carrigan, Drinkwater and Pappy are second tier

Does anyone have the Oil on whats happening with Jack de Belin?

my tv broke wrote:

If your aim is to win overall then youve gotta get lucky with some punts thougg. If you stick to the guys who are tried and true youll do well but you wont win the lot.

Yeah reading back I didn’t phrase that well at all 🤪

I was more reacting to blowing trades  on mid range to mid range dudes or big $ on someone who has over performed for a couple of weeks. I also think Punts are essential. It is about choosing your punts wisely and having a few trades in your pocket to jump on people who go on a run mid to late season.
I appreciate everyone is chomping at the bit to get going (me included) and just throwing ideas around based on a limited sample group

Edit - this could be why I’ve never won 🤪

The way I am looking at it is that I have 7 players I definitely don’t want in my final 17. The rest I am content to keep if I have to. So, is bringing in Fogarty at base price worth it knowing he is quite unlikely to leave due to inevitable injuries /suspensions /and other rugby league player utter stupidity? Is Fogarty worth it as it does help bring in a gun?

Even in regards to CTRs I would honestly be happy to keep Shibasaki as starter for rest of season and not bother using a trade on Latrell/Hopoate/Xerri etc etc as Shibasaki is good enough for 30 in base whereas the higher averaging CTRs can still have up & down weeks