NRL Fantasy 2021 - In my opinion, this is part 8

mattnz wrote:
Curran was really bad defensively. The Tino try was Curran getting burned for pace, didn't get near him..

Pretty sure Tohu Harris had a shitty grab at him. Was a poor defensive play but not going to drop Harris because of that. Curran had the most tackles of any Warrior in the trial.

rectangle wrote:

Surely Martin and Kikau are the starters unless Matin has fallen off a cliff. He played well starting in the second row last year.

Capewell pretty much confirmed as the starter by Cleary mate but also said that their edges would get rotated and Martin to play some middle

Without thinking too hard there is probably 10 halves I'd take before Fogarty. In no particular order

1. Cleary
2. Moses
3. Munster
4. Lam
5. Flanagan
6. Brooks
7. CHT
8. Townsend
9. Milford
10. G.Williams

Hell I'd even take Lachlan Croker before Fogarty. That's not counting an out and out gun like DCE who I think will score relatively similar to his price

Iron Mike wrote:

Pretty sure Tohu Harris had a shitty grab at him. Was a poor defensive play but not going to drop Harris because of that. Curran had the most tackles of any Warrior in the trial.

Unfortunately tackles don’t mean much in a trail mate. Curran looked a decent shout last year in a much weaker pack and never got a run really , has soooo much extra competition this year in a stronger pack

rectangle wrote:

Surely Martin and Kikau are the starters unless Matin has fallen off a cliff. He played well starting in the second row last year.

Cleary advised Capewell and Kikau starting, with Martin spending time in the middle.
Indications are the rotation will be:
Kikau and Capewell start, Martin comes on in the first half on the right edge, Kikau subs off and Capewell moves to left edge. When Kikau subs back on in the 2nd half, Capewell moves back to Right edge and Martin moves to the middle for JFH or Yeo.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:Without thinking too hard there is probably 10 halves I'd take before Fogarty. In no particular order

1. Cleary
2. Moses
3. Munster
4. Lam
5. Flanagan
6. Brooks
7. CHT
8. Townsend
9. Milford
10. G.Williams

Hell I'd even take Lachlan Croker before Fogarty. That's not counting an out and out gun like DCE who I think will score relatively similar to his price

On a points vs price basis I’d take Munster, Lam, Brooks, CHT, Townsend off that list. I like Fog but only for additional GK which he may not even keep with Taylor and Herbert able enough

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my tv broke wrote:

I could go either way on him. Right now he's in my team, at some point I hope they move him to 2nd row.

The scope who lives with normy said bird was gonna play that roving lock role, now obviously he has said he wants to get comfortable at centre again but it sounds like he’ll be in the middle at some point

I like the Fog. Yeah had a 17 point increase from rds 3-10 to 11-20 but seven of that was base (5 of it kms). He has said at the start of the year it was hard just learning the plays and getting to know his team mates. A proper preseason under his belt, he'll "take control of the team" this year, GK, Fifita outside him. It's a risk but not a terrible lot of downside. May get culled if I need the cash.

Mulvy wrote:I like the Fog. Yeah had a 17 point increase from rds 3-10 to 11-20 but seven of that was base (5 of it kms). He has said at the start of the year it was hard just learning the plays and getting to know his team mates. A proper preseason under his belt, he'll "take control of the team" this year, GK, Fifita outside him. It's a risk but not a terrible lot of downside. May get culled if I need the cash.

I’d bet he goes above his current priced average, risk is how much and whether you can run him full season or have to upgrade later

Not that I can afford either of them but I'd take the entirely unmentioned ARey ten times before Fog at a similar price. Souths playing expansively, the usual KMs and a shit-ton of goals.

Obviously if I did buy him, he'd get injured, but he's safe because I'm not.

Welshy wrote:
Regardless, those averages against those teams mean fuck all anyway. Every game against teams good or bad creates different opportunities which sometimes get taken and sometimes don’t.

Everyone mentioned Teddy always going shit against the Storm the he busted a huge game against them with an 82.

I was responding to someone saying they are gonna miss out on Pappy due to him going up against these teams... I am on your side here It doesn't matter who someone is versing, each game is different. Pappy could score a double and run for 200+ metres against the Roosters but only go for 110m, no tries, 1 TB against the Dragons....

mattnz wrote:
Cleary advised Capewell and Kikau starting, with Martin spending time in the middle.
Indications are the rotation will be:
Kikau and Capewell start, Martin comes on in the first half on the right edge, Kikau subs off and Capewell moves to left edge. When Kikau subs back on in the 2nd half, Capewell moves back to Right edge and Martin moves to the middle for JFH or Yeo.

Yeah people seem to be doubtful on Capewell but he's in my team. When Cleary says rotation I think he's referring to Kikau getting spelled not Capewell. In the season in 2020 when Capewell started on the edge he played 80 mins. He had an injury affected season in 2020 but he started 4 games on the edge & scored 75, 55, 64 & 55. Imo Capewell will score 45+ & he's priced at 38 points.
I read someone likening Capewell to Hess & saying he will regress like Hess did. I think this is an unfair comparison because Hess relied mainly on attacking stats & had poor base stats whereas Capewell can make 40+ tackles so he has a good base to fall back on.

StormTrooper96 wrote:

I was responding to someone saying they are gonna miss out on Pappy due to him going up against these teams... I am on your side here It doesn't matter who someone is versing, each game is different. Pappy could score a double and run for 200+ metres against the Roosters but only go for 110m, no tries, 1 TB against the Dragons....

Agree mate! Hate using opposition as a basis for potential score increase as well.

White Lightning wrote:

Yeah people seem to be doubtful on Capewell but he's in my team. When Cleary says rotation I think he's referring to Kikau getting spelled not Capewell. In the season in 2020 when Capewell started on the edge he played 80 mins. He had an injury affected season in 2020 but he started 4 games on the edge & scored 75, 55, 64 & 55. Imo Capewell will score 45+ & he's priced at 38 points.
I read someone likening Capewell to Hess & saying he will regress like Hess did. I think this is an unfair comparison because Hess relied mainly on attacking stats & had poor base stats whereas Capewell can make 40+ tackles so he has a good base to fall back on.

Capewell 2RF average playing 70+ minutes is 43. In 24 games and that’s enough for me to think he’s the same as most 2RFs in that same average range.

White Lightning wrote:Yeah people seem to be doubtful on Capewell but he's in my team. When Cleary says rotation I think he's referring to Kikau getting spelled not Capewell. In the season in 2020 when Capewell started on the edge he played 80 mins

this is why I was high on him and wanted to start him in 2020 (but he had a calf injury and missed the first two rounds). was better value then at ctr though (and cheaper)

he should play 80 on the right edge most weeks. not sure where his scoring falls though.

Think I would prefer to take a punt on a second rower in the 300-450k (E.g. Riki) range than 500-600k range as more cash potential and similar scoring potential too. Otherwise would rather just go for a gun. So I think Gun and Riki combo at the moment works best with hopefully another cash cow starter come TLT

Put together my first draft that wasn't just shoving players in;

J Brailey
Tino, Cheese, Watson
Crichton, Riki
Cleary, Brooks
Bird, Averillo
Teddy, Papy, Latrell

Lam, Hoppa, Koala, Liddle
Blore, Laurie, Niu, Leremia

Thinking of putting Hoppa into centre and Averillo out but we'll see.

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I did some number crunching on (C)leary;

Priced at 72, but looking at his performances last year;

- If you remove games where he scored tries (because he won't score a try in every game)
- If you remove the game where he made 29 tackles (he averaged 19 across the year)
- And the one where he made 25 tackles (for good measure)
- And the one where he made a Try Save (he only had one for the year)
- And the match vs the Storm (because you know, fixtures...)

He only averages 58.1 (making him nearly $200k overpriced).

It's amazing what you can achieve, when you know the outcome you want.

PS> That's still 4 points up on the previous season (and damn it was hard to bring his average down)

ShadowSabre wrote:Think I would prefer to take a punt on a second rower in the 300-450k (E.g. Riki) range than 500-600k range as more cash potential and similar scoring potential too. Otherwise would rather just go for a gun. So I think Gun and Riki combo at the moment works best with hopefully another cash cow starter come TLT

I dont think anyone is passing up a Riki or Davey if starting. Its a matter of is a guy like Matterson worth spending $300k more than Capewell.