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    Post by easytiger Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:58 am

    mattnz wrote:

    I was looking at that last night.

    His stats on the edge are great. Averages 40 tackles and 94 running meters as base. Doesn't need to be in the middle to rack up the tackle count. Compare him to Crichton at 33 tackles last year and iPap at 32.

    When playing in the middle his base is similar over 67 minutes, but he tends to have less attacking stats.

    I would consider owning him on the edge where he averaged 9 points higher than at lock last year.

    He seemed to suffer a bit his last few games, at the end of a high work rate 1st full season. Can see him having a great run to start the year with the Warriors having the easiest run for the first 5 games. Could easily be a cut priced iPap or Crichton, hitting some 80s and 90s if he gets over the try line.

    I'm fairly keen on Curran as well (possibly as an alternative for TPJ).

    TPJ looks to be 5-6 points under valued and should be around that 60 average on the edge.

    Curran is 7k more expensive (pretty much the same price), and could be anything from priced appropriately, to maybe a 60-65 point player? (I.e. 0-10 points of value) - his game looks well suited to fantasy.
    I think the real benefit with Curran is that I can see him going on a run of big scores for a month, before settling back to regular 40-60s.

    TPJ's judiciary record is well documented, last year restricting him to 18 of a possible 24 regular season games.

    Curran so far seems to pick up the odd unlucky minor injury, that isolation event and maybe a 1 week suspension? (from memory). Meaning he managed 14 of a possible 19 games (since he started in round 6).

    TPJ seems to be a lot more disciplined these days, but his history means an accidental crusher etc could see him miss multiple weeks.

    It's a bit of a conundrum to my mind, fortunately I'm unlikely to be able to afford either.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:13 am

    easytiger wrote:

    I'm fairly keen on Curran as well (possibly as an alternative for TPJ).

    TPJ looks to be 5-6 points under valued and should be around that 60 average on the edge.

    Curran is 7k more expensive (pretty much the same price), and could be anything from priced appropriately, to maybe a 60-65 point player? (I.e. 0-10 points of value) - his game looks well suited to fantasy.
    I think the real benefit with Curran is that I can see him going on a run of big scores for a month, before settling back to regular 40-60s.

    TPJ's judiciary record is well documented, last year restricting him to 18 of a possible 24 regular season games.

    Curran so far seems to pick up the odd unlucky minor injury, that isolation event and maybe a 1 week suspension? (from memory). Meaning he managed 14 of a possible 19 games (since he started in round 6).

    TPJ seems to be a lot more disciplined these days, but his history means an accidental crusher etc could see him miss multiple weeks.

    It's a bit of a conundrum to my mind, fortunately I'm unlikely to be able to afford either.

    If you do have any Warriors in your team ideally you want to ride them up to the first bye, but the possibility of Tohu's return (possibly fairly soon, definitely before round 13) puts question marks on anyone in their back row for me.
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    Post by The Bludger#2 Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:20 am

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    Surely Payne Haas gets in there over Radley. Adam Elliot could also be considered unlucky to miss out on selection too.

    What did JoJo Fifita and Hopoate do. Wingers are too pure!

    Haas was in the frame, but too expensive.
    I'll look at Elliot, kid's definitely a 'bad boy for life' with a party-boy habit of gettin loooose. Wingers are too pure, couldn't afford Walsh and was running low on funds so went with reputation on name alone (Fifta's namesake has done some dodgy shit and Hopo's dad speaks for himself).  
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:22 am

    in 2021 Curran averaged -11 pts/game
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:24 am

    Lemmy KGB wrote:Coates vs Pereria is a tricky one. With potentially all the cheapy CTRs (and Critta) coming up I think I can only pick one. I like Pereria's numbers/play better, but Coates will be so heavily owned. Could run both I guess and not run Penisini etc.  

    I think Coates ownership is people hoping he can replicate Reimis Smith(move to Melbourne from bad club) or Addo-Carr(Melbourne winger)

    There is probably a little bit of value in Coates and he is on my list to consider but I'm unlikely to start with him
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    Post by my tv broke Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:30 am

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    I think Coates ownership is people hoping he can replicate Reimis Smith(move to Melbourne from bad club) or Addo-Carr(Melbourne winger)

    There is probably a little bit of value in Coates and he is on my list to consider but I'm unlikely to start with him

    Wouldn't surprise at all to see him score 20 tries this season, which means his average should pick up, but his scoring will be volatile. Would be nice to have in EMGs (but may be too expensive for that?)
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:58 am

    The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:From the Herald Sun (apparently) - Any thoughts?

    NRL 2022: Allan Langer backs Billy Walters for Brisbane Broncos No.6 jersey

    And so on.

    Coaches best mate thinks coaches son is the answer. Even though he’s almost 28 years old and has never be the answer before. Scott Fulton vibes.
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    Post by Chewie Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:06 am

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    I think Coates ownership is people hoping he can replicate Reimis Smith(move to Melbourne from bad club) or Addo-Carr(Melbourne winger)

    There is probably a little bit of value in Coates and he is on my list to consider but I'm unlikely to start with him

    I'm pretty confident Coates will do well. The Melbourne Storm's playing style is all about spreading it wide, probably more so than any other club in the comp, Coates will get plenty of opportunity to find the line, I also reckon he'll get close to scoring 20 tries this season.

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    Post by my tv broke Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:13 am

    robelgordo wrote:

    Coaches best mate thinks coaches son is the answer. Even though he’s almost 28 years old and has never be the answer before. Scott Fulton vibes.

    the players are calling billy 'vice captain' around training because he's the coaches son. its all in good fun.

    i think there is zero chance billy lines up in the 6. the club seems a lot more relaxed this pre-season and imo are just throwing out bait to the media. i mean its Alf, he is known to talk shit. no one is coming back in a months time going "oh but Alfie said the six should be kevies son"
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    Post by easytiger Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:21 am

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    Wouldn't surprise at all to see him score 20 tries this season, which means his average should pick up, but his scoring will be volatile. Would be nice to have in EMGs (but may be too expensive for that?)

    He scored 11 in the 17 games he played for the Broncos, so assuming he played 22 games (assuming missing a few for Origin), that'd put him at about 14 at that rate.
    20 seems pretty plausible, but that'd only equate to about 4 extra points a game (i.e. being generous 1T + 1LB + 1TB = 15 * 6 = 90 / 22 games = ~4 points).

    To my mind, the real upside is if he develops some ability to break tackles, or quite a bit more work ethic.
    OR if he goes on a bit of a golden run to start the season by scoring some double's etc...
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    Post by mattnz Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:23 am

    Chewie wrote:

    I'm pretty confident Coates will do well. The Melbourne Storm's playing style is all about spreading it wide, probably more so than any other club in the comp, Coates will get plenty of opportunity to find the line, I also reckon he'll get close to scoring 20 tries this season.

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    20 tries for the season would see him improve from 0.6 tries per game to 0.8, a marginal difference in point scoring. I think there is better value out there.

    He is still going to have a few games scoring single digits.

    Interested to hear peoples thoughts on Paulo as starting left center at Souths at the same price point and will pick up dual WFB/CTR in round 1.

    Gagai certainly scored well in that position for them (49 average last season) and the left side will be at least as prevalent this year with all the ball playing going through Walker without Reynolds there.
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    Post by my tv broke Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:25 am

    easytiger wrote:

    He scored 11 in the 17 games he played for the Broncos, so assuming he played 22 games (assuming missing a few for Origin), that'd put him at about 14 at that rate.
    20 seems pretty plausible, but that'd only equate to about 4 extra points a game (i.e. being generous 1T + 1LB + 1TB = 15 * 6 = 90 / 22 games = ~4 points).

    To my mind, the real upside is if he develops some ability to break tackles, or quite a bit more work ethic.
    OR if he goes on a bit of a golden run to start the season by scoring some double's etc...

    its not so much the season average that matters but the spike in price with a run of good scores, and if you are able to benefit from it.

    addo-carr lowest price during last season was 430k and highest 625k.



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    Post by mattnz Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:27 am

    my tv broke wrote:

    the players are calling billy 'vice captain' around training because he's the coaches son. its all in good fun.

    i think there is zero chance billy lines up in the 6. the club seems a lot more relaxed this pre-season and imo are just throwing out bait to the media. i mean its Alf, he is known to talk shit. no one is coming back in a months time going "oh but Alfie said the six should be kevies son"

    Its been really unusual recruitment by Broncos. Let Fifita go, but have 5 NRL standard 6s taking up their salary cap (Kelly, Gamble, Walters, Mam, TMM) and have Paix who is a converted hooker.

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    Post by robelgordo Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:28 am

    Imagine if Storm actually teach Coates how to catch or effectively bat back the high ball. "Huge aerial threat" might actually mean "huge aerial threat" instead of "he's tall"
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    Post by my tv broke Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:31 am

    mattnz wrote:

    Its been really unusual recruitment by Broncos. Let Fifita go, but have 5 NRL standard 6s taking up their salary cap (Kelly, Gamble, Walters, Mam, TMM) and have Paix who is a converted hooker.


    those guys are all on ~basically minimum wage. Martin is only on a dev contract. Mam was as well but they upgraded to last spot in top 30 (or maybe we have one left i dont know)

    losing fifita was not ideal (as was a lot of recruitment a few years ago), but also glad we arent paying him stupid money. the last 12 months have been steps in the right direction. roster is starting to get into shape.
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    Post by easytiger Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:40 am

    rhinoceroo wrote:

    If you do have any Warriors in your team ideally you want to ride them up to the first bye, but the possibility of Tohu's return (possibly fairly soon, definitely before round 13) puts question marks on anyone in their back row for me.

    This is very true.
    Personally, I'm not too worried about Tohu's return affecting Curran much - I think there's more tenuous players that are more likely to be negatively impacted.

    In terms of the bye round, unfortunately 13 rounds is so far away that it's hard to have huge confidence in anyone necessarily being playable/available at that time (June).
    In previous seasons, I've had plenty of players that start the season that I'd thought would be good for the first bye who end up being scrubbed for one reason or another.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:44 am

    mattnz wrote:

    Its been really unusual recruitment by Broncos. Let Fifita go, but have 5 NRL standard 6s taking up their salary cap (Kelly, Gamble, Walters, Mam, TMM) and have Paix who is a converted hooker.


    Very generous definition of "NRL standard" there.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:46 am

    my tv broke wrote:

    its not so much the season average that matters but the spike in price with a run of good scores, and if you are able to benefit from it.

    addo-carr lowest price during last season was 430k and highest 625k.




    Yes, agreed. Also half of Coates's tries at the Broncos seemed to be fly through the air 8-pointers. Storm might be more likely than last year's Broncs to create an overlap.
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    Post by easytiger Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:48 am

    my tv broke wrote:

    its not so much the season average that matters but the spike in price with a run of good scores, and if you are able to benefit from it.

    addo-carr lowest price during last season was 430k and highest 625k.


    Exactly, that's why I said "OR if he goes on a bit of a golden run..."
    You'd want it to be at the start of the season though. It'd be pretty annoying if 6 weeks in, your $330k player has managed 3 or 4 tries, but has only really maintained at about $320k.

    That being said, Melbourne's early season draw certainly should give him a good chance to have a fast start.
    I don't really see him as a season-defining selection - I'm kind've hoping TLT chucks up better options so I don't have to get a better version of Saab (who is possibly a good comparison - and had a run of 11 tries in 7 games last year meaning $228k -> $450k).
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    Post by rhinoceroo Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:50 am

    Having just seen another picture of Shaquai Mitchell I'm going to amend my description to "looks like Latrell has eaten two other Latrells."

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