NRL Fantasy 2023 Part 82 - Baggie Time

easytiger wrote:

I don't understand the "mockingbockingwill" reference?

Anyway, Daily Telegraph reporting that Mark Nawaqanitawase is on a $900k over 2 year contract.

I've probably said this before, so at the risk of being a broken record;
I don't think the Roosters are cheating the cap.
I do think the Roosters are possibly the greatest exponent of providing players benefits outside of the cap that relates to setting them up for life after footy - be it education/mentorship, business and financial nous and those other intangibles that are probably in no way a breach of the cap rules, but offer meaningful benefits to the players.

It seems to me that the players maybe earn less in the short term than they would at an inferior club (looking at your Wests Tigers etc) but that they are assisted to make better financial decisions that in the long term set them up for their family and life after football, plus they get to play with a quality club that has their shit together and usually plays finals football.
The club benefits, but the players win too - is that the club or players fault?

Is it the Roosters fault that other organisations are not as holistically well-managed?
It's probably more on the troubled clubs to raise their game.
The Roosters aren't alone in this department and clubs like the Storm, Panthers, Broncos understand their strengths and are able to operate in a manner that maximises every aspect across the organisation and this has resulted in sustained success.  

In terms of JWH - he's 34 years old.
It's pretty standard for a player in their twilight to get paid a lot less than in their peak. I'm pretty sure Benji Marshall (who once commanded close to a mil) was sub $200k in his last year at Souths for example.

easytiger wrote:

I don't understand the "mockingbockingwill" reference?

Anyway, Daily Telegraph reporting that Mark Nawaqanitawase is on a $900k over 2 year contract.

I've probably said this before, so at the risk of being a broken record;
I don't think the Roosters are cheating the cap.
I do think the Roosters are possibly the greatest exponent of providing players benefits outside of the cap that relates to setting them up for life after footy - be it education/mentorship, business and financial nous and those other intangibles that are probably in no way a breach of the cap rules, but offer meaningful benefits to the players.

It seems to me that the players maybe earn less in the short term than they would at an inferior club (looking at your Wests Tigers etc) but that they are assisted to make better financial decisions that in the long term set them up for their family and life after football, plus they get to play with a quality club that has their shit together and usually plays finals football.
The club benefits, but the players win too - is that the club or players fault?

Is it the Roosters fault that other organisations are not as holistically well-managed?
It's probably more on the troubled clubs to raise their game.
The Roosters aren't alone in this department and clubs like the Storm, Panthers, Broncos understand their strengths and are able to operate in a manner that maximises every aspect across the organisation and this has resulted in sustained success.  

In terms of JWH - he's 34 years old.
It's pretty standard for a player in their twilight to get paid a lot less than in their peak. I'm pretty sure Benji Marshall (who once commanded close to a mil) was sub $200k in his last year at Souths for example.

Camo123 wrote:For all the mega preseason diehards the prices, clubs and positions are updated for 2024 on footystatistics despite the game not being open

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Waiting for the full list to show up so I can stop going through players manually

Rabbits21 wrote:
I defs think they’re doing 3rd party deals and 4th party deals behind closed doors. Politis gives them extras on the side etc I have a close friend who is friends with JWH and gets free tickets for games if he wants or needs anything Uncle Nick sees to it like a Father or if his family needs anything it’s seen too easily etc….. jobs for the family or relatives as many cars as they want etc…. I do however believe they are well run and good at doing it that they can get away with it. Still doesn’t make it right though.

Fair enough point on JWH.

MockingbockingWilly was my easy way of not having to pronounce his surname as it’s a tongue twister. I had had no sleep either and had no patience to write that out.

Many people are scratching their heads how you can add Leniu and Dom without losing anything pretty much that’s the argument here. Especially when they’re upgrading some other contracts too and those cheap as chips players they let go also need replacing with other cheap guys. Talk was as well that they had to let Angus or Suaali go early due to cap pressure and that’s never eventuated which I found strange.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Waiting for the full list to show up so I can stop going through players manually

Bethany_B wrote:

All this talk of the Roosters having a bunch of players on big money is rather ironic coming from a Souths fan. Let's see who your team has on big money

* Latrell Mitchell
* Cody Walker
* Damien Cook
* Keaon Koloamatangi
* Jai Arrow
* Campbell Graham
* Alex Johnston (this one's marginal because he'll be eligible for long service allowance soon)
* Jack Wighton

Maybe those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

PS: You could have just copy/pasted "Mark Nawaqanitawase" instead of just making up something (which sounds a bit racist but that might just be me), this is a text forum so you can just do that if you don't want to type it out.

Camo123 wrote:Looks like Null Null the GOAT retained CTR dual. And for some reason got a 6pt discount when it probably should have been the other way

Probably the one that least deserved it in my list I had lol (Kiraz, Lucas)

Rabbits21 wrote:

Are there accurate prices though or just what MTB is anticipating they will be? We all know the NRL can up player prices eg Schuster is 408k I thought he’d be closer to 500k.

Rabbits21 wrote:
Look at our second rowers Keaon then Host, Chee Kam, Lovett. They have N. Butcher, Angus, Sitili, Wong it’s a big difference. On the wings Tupou and Dom we have AJ and Munro/I. Thompson and AJ isn’t on much with us either he isn’t paid that much. They are stacked for second row and the backs and still strong in every area.

We let Knight go he was on 500k last year of that deal, we let Sele go 250-300k, Taaffe 250k gone, Jed 250k gone and T. Burgess has dropped from 800k to 450k going into next season.

Keaon upgrade doesn’t kick in til 2025 he is on 600-650k next season and Campbell upgrade kicks in til 2025. Also re Keppie Manly are chipping in part of his contract.

Racism dunno where you’re getting that from there was no intention of being racist.