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    Post by Mearcats Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:22 am

    I see what you're saying but I think the pressure is the reflected in the overall finishing position of Manly rather than the number of TA's the guy posts up. As the single viable option at playmaker in the team, lets say he receives the ball a hundred times in a season. For arguments sake he converts that number 50% of the time. The other 50% of the time he cracks due to pressure. Now let's say he's not the only viable half option but has Foran alongside him. Now instead of him getting the ball 100 times he only get's it 50 times... See where I'm going with this.

    The guy is a professional athlete who has played for state and country, I don't think pressure has any measurable impact on his performance.
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    Post by Archer Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:22 am

    Random wrote:Also can I just point out statistics are the least subjective way to get my point across. Other than saying X player is great, he is easily as good as Y player.

    I mean I could start listing my players as the "Lite" version of other players on different teams. Even though Mitchell Latrell is in no way comparable to Greg Inglis at this point in their careers.
    Sure, if you posted every stat, both attack and defense and the stats were far more comprehensive and less subjective then they currently are. But as it stands, the stats in the NRL only tell part of the story, I like looking at them myself and using them to back up an argument, but they are far from the be all and end all. Also, picking the stats that favour your selections is no longer an objective point, for example someone could list all the TA's there back 5 have got, whilst potentially having blokes who have only scored a handful of tries between them all season. Or they could talk about the tries scored for players at an international level or over their career, conveniently leaving off how they rank this year at a club level.


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    Post by Archer Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:23 am

    Welshy wrote:Still haven't read all the teams analysis, just getting onto archer now!

    @Random, @Mearcats @TopDog well done guys, some great analysis and effort put into everyone so far!! good effort
    I haven't had a chance to finish mine!!! Didn't realise voting would start today, thought we would have some banter and i could finish it once i knock off work today Sad
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    Post by RandomSil Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:31 am

    Well we need to wait for SI to post an analysis or say he isn't posting one.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:35 am

    Random wrote:Well we need to wait for SI to post an analysis or say he isn't posting one.

    My vote was based on his players. If anything his write up could mean I deduct points.

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    Post by Welshy Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:37 am

    Genuine question....

    Does anyone honestly think they have a better backline than Frizells Fancies?
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    Post by RandomSil Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:38 am

    Archer wrote:
    Random wrote:Also can I just point out statistics are the least subjective way to get my point across. Other than saying X player is great, he is easily as good as Y player.

    I mean I could start listing my players as the "Lite" version of other players on different teams. Even though Mitchell Latrell is in no way comparable to Greg Inglis at this point in their careers.
    Sure, if you posted every stat, both attack and defense and the stats were far more comprehensive and less subjective then they currently are. But as it stands, the stats in the NRL only tell part of the story, I like looking at them myself and using them to back up an argument, but they are far from the be all and end all. Also, picking the stats that favour your selections is no longer an objective point, for example someone could list all the TA's there back 5 have got, whilst potentially having blokes who have only scored a handful of tries between them all season. Or they could talk about the tries scored for players at an international level or over their career, conveniently leaving off how they rank this year at a club level.

    I see your explanation there, but regarding that I listed stats in other sections. It wasn't like that I ignored the ability to score tries, and listing club level doesn't make much sense for someone like Darius Boyd who plays club level as his Fullback due to the level of his skills, but at an international stage has played winger and been consistently one of the best wingers in the history of Origin even though he hasn't played there for quite some time at club level. (Although he did transition to Fullback this year.) The same can be said to Greg Inglis. He is easily one of the best Centers of all time (As he proved in his match last week against NZ), yet at club level doesn't play there anymore. Trying to use stats when he plays in a different position at club level wouldn't make sense to compare. So I didn't mention those.
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    Post by Welshy Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:41 am

    You cannot in no way, shape or form discount stats

    you just have to extract the relevant ones and know how to construe them based on team and situation
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:41 am

    Welshy wrote:Genuine question....

    Does anyone honestly think they have a better backline than Frizells Fancies?
    Frizell has a nice backline. Yes.








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    Post by Mearcats Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:42 am

    Random wrote:Voting:

    - Personal Message me with your votes. (You can choose to add analysis to that, or not.)
    - Rank your teams from Best to Worst
    - Points are awarded to the Top 3 teams (3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd and 1 point for 3rd)
    - You do not rank your own team
    - After all votes have been tallied, I will release the results. (At which point you can list your voting analysis. If wanted I can release all votes as well.)

    (Subject to change if you scrubs whine. Probably Archer when he realises he will walk out with 0 points.)

    (Also should it be Top 3 getting points, or Top 4. It would have been Top 4 if we had 8 players.)

    For the next page so I can follow
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    Post by Welshy Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:43 am

    TopDog wrote:
    Frizell has a nice backline. Yes.








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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:45 am

    Also my voting system came down to a total variance of 7 points from last to first place. Think I have things fairly spot on in that case.
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    Post by RandomSil Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:49 am

    Welshy wrote:Genuine question....

    Does anyone honestly think they have a better backline than Frizells Fancies?

    Like I said my reasoning is based on how I think the teams would perform throughout 26 rounds. So the fact your team is made of glass is a factor and is a negative for your backline. With that said your team still has the best backline in a vacuum type scenario. Though a few teams are quite close. Particularly SI's (Who is let down by Walker as I don't rate him at CTR) As well as my own team.

    Tedesco > Moylan
    Dugan < Inglis
    Radardra = Boyd (Maybe leaning to Radradra in the winger spot purely)
    Morris = Oates (Oates had a huge year for mine. Morris would rank higher purely due to name value, not necessarily due to skill.)
    Roberts = Kata (I am a Broncos fan, but I don't like Roberts that much. He is fast, but I feel didn't show much this year. I think at the Titans it was more of a case of being a Big fish in a little pond. Although his stateline probably argues that fact.)

    So even though I have our backlines as even your backline would win out against mine based on their name value.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:53 am

    Yeah Tedesco was 10 points and Moylan was 9 points. Just a small insight into my voting style.
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    Post by Honeysett Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:54 am

    @Welshy

    I reckon you have my backline covered but I reckon I have you dusted everywhere else. Although I don't think you're lacking anywhere at all.
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    Post by Welshy Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:56 am

    Honeysett wrote:@Welshy

    I reckon you have my backline covered but I reckon I have you dusted everywhere else. Although I don't think you're lacking anywhere at all.
    Why can't my missis talk to me like this  Sad
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    Post by Honeysett Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:59 am

    Welshy wrote:
    Why can't my missis talk to me like this  Sad

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    Post by Welshy Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:10 am

    Random wrote:

    Like I said my reasoning is based on how I think the teams would perform throughout 26 rounds. So the fact your team is made of glass is a factor and is a negative for your backline. With that said your team still has the best backline in a vacuum type scenario. Though a few teams are quite close. Particularly SI's (Who is let down by Walker as I don't rate him at CTR) As well as my own team.

    Tedesco > Moylan
    Dugan < Inglis
    Radardra = Boyd (Maybe leaning to Radradra in the winger spot purely)
    Morris = Oates (Oates had a huge year for mine. Morris would rank higher purely due to name value, not necessarily due to skill.)
    Roberts = Kata (I am a Broncos fan, but I don't like Roberts that much. He is fast, but I feel didn't show much this year. I think at the Titans it was more of a case of being a Big fish in a little pond. Although his stateline probably argues that fact.)

    So even though I have our backlines as even your backline would win out against mine based on their name value.
    I think that is being kind to your own backline mate, in no way downgradng the players you have there but player for player I dont think its a contest

    Tedesco is far and aways above Moylan
    GI is better than Dugan but Roberts is is much better CTR than Kata, Kata is riddled with mistakes and defensive lapses
    Morris has been a star for years and still is whilst Oates is turning into one Morris >Oates
    And Radradra is light years above Boyd as a winger
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    Post by Welshy Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:14 am

    @Honeysett

    last 10 mins of the game, you have been getting pummelled at the gainline most of the game and down by 4

    do you bring on Fifita or Bromwich
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:15 am

    Welshy wrote:
    I think that is being kind to your own backline mate, in no way downgradng the players you have there but player for player I dont think its a contest

    Tedesco is far and aways above Moylan
    GI is better than Dugan but Roberts is is much better CTR than Kata, Kata is riddled with mistakes and defensive lapses
    Morris has been a star for years and still is whilst Oates is turning into one Morris >Oates
    And Radradra is light years above Boyd as a winger

    This is where personal opinion is a massive factor. Boyd as a winger is on par with Radradra for mine. Different style of winger but both are top tier none the less.
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