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    2018 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 3

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    Post by SoylentGreen Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:24 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    Speaking of which - how many players are people going to try and get for the bye rounds

    Maximum possible availability is 33 players over the 2 bye rounds (field a full 17 in round 13, with 4 AE spots being taken by R17 players, then use all 12 trades between R13 and R17 to trade R13 players out and R17 players in)

    Every origin player that you keep reduces your max available bye players by 1.

    So if you have Smith and Tedesco as keepers, and no other origin players, then the most you can field is 31 players over 2 rounds.

    Which assumes no injuries or suspensions in rounds 13+17, and that you spend all 10 trades between bye rounds replacing R13 players with round 17 players.

    And assuming you keep Smith and Tedesco - you can only keep 2 other players through both byes, everyone else has to be traded out.


    Realistically, that is not going to happen, so what sort of coverage are people going to look for. Will 13 each week be OK for most people?
    15 or more both weeks seems unattainable without killing your team for other rounds

    I'm not going to even bother about bye planning until about rd 7 or 8. I haven't even bothered looking at who is on a bye when yet.
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    Post by my tv broke Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:30 pm

    I havent looked either. And im the same. Not gojng to worry too much about it. If I cant decide between two players ill use their byes to split em
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    Post by No Worries Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:35 pm

    I don't bye plan.
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    Post by Pacey's Best Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:51 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    Speaking of which - how many players are people going to try and get for the bye rounds

    Maximum possible availability is 33 players over the 2 bye rounds (field a full 17 in round 13, with 4 AE spots being taken by R17 players, then use all 12 trades between R13 and R17 to trade R13 players out and R17 players in)

    Every origin player that you keep reduces your max available bye players by 1.

    So if you have Smith and Tedesco as keepers, and no other origin players, then the most you can field is 31 players over 2 rounds.

    Which assumes no injuries or suspensions in rounds 13+17, and that you spend all 10 trades between bye rounds replacing R13 players with round 17 players.

    And assuming you keep Smith and Tedesco - you can only keep 2 other players through both byes, everyone else has to be traded out.


    Realistically, that is not going to happen, so what sort of coverage are people going to look for. Will 13 each week be OK for most people?
    15 or more both weeks seems unattainable without killing your team for other rounds

    It's going to be a tough balancing act. To have the best representations in rounds 13 and 17 and a chance at overall, I can see most coaches using maximum trades from about rounds 8/9 - 17 which is why saving trades early will be critical this year. As you say, with the inevitable suspensions, injuries and I'm sure some cash cows no longer in first grade sure to eventuate, I suppose a reasonable target could be abt 13-14 players round 13 and abt 10-12 players in round 17. Then you will need enough trades to bring back in all the keepers ( origin players ) you want.
    Like I said, it's going to be one hell of a balancing act.
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    Post by standard-issue Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:07 pm

    I will be picking the best team I can come round 1, with no eyes on the byes. Bit of a cliché but even more so than normal you need to be right up there from Round 1, not as many opportunities to peg back back points.
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    Post by my tv broke Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:52 pm

    SI wrote:I will be picking the best team I can come round 1, with no eyes on the byes.  Bit of a cliché but even more so than normal you need to be right up there from Round 1, not as many opportunities to peg back back points.

    If youve got the best team for the early rounds it means youre both a) scoring points, and b) most likely making good cash too. Even if yoj miss a cow or two, if yojre smashing out points you can afford to use trades to gain cows

    So end result is youre in a great position to deal with byes. Just need to be smart.

    "Runs on the board" if you will
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    Post by Pookus McFly Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:46 pm

    Hooper on 360 just said Brennan told him that he sees Cartwright as a ball playing 13. Would make him a must have if it unfilded that way early and shelve Arrow further down my wish list
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    Post by Welshy Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:51 pm

    Morning all

    Just about recovered from the weekend after watching Wales smash Scotland

    Have I missed anything?
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    Post by Mulvy Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:52 pm

    Bryce Cartwright to play 13 for the Titans
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    Post by standard-issue Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:53 pm

    my tv broke wrote:
    SI wrote:I will be picking the best team I can come round 1, with no eyes on the byes.  Bit of a cliché but even more so than normal you need to be right up there from Round 1, not as many opportunities to peg back back points.

    If youve got the best team for the early rounds it means youre both a) scoring points, and b) most likely making good cash too. Even if yoj miss a cow or two, if yojre smashing out points you can afford to use trades to gain cows

    So end result is youre in a great position to deal with byes. Just need to be smart.

    "Runs on the board" if you will

    I've always heavily considered the draw before 1st lockout. I think this is my 12th year playing and I don't think I have ever been in the Top 2000 or 3000 after the first few Rounds. I'm sure it will be more of the same this year, haha.
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    Post by Welshy Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:54 pm

    Pookus McFly wrote:Hooper on 360 just said Brennan told him that he sees Cartwright as a ball playing 13. Would make him a must have if it unfilded that way early and shelve Arrow further down my wish list

    Would be cheaper than Arrow as well!

    I'd rather see

    James
    Peats
    Wallace
    Cartwright
    Proctor
    Arrow

    Boyle
    King
    Latu
    greenwood/Rein

    Although any edge with Carty/Taylor or Carty/Elgey would be like shit to flies for any decent edge forward carrying


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    Post by standard-issue Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:55 pm

    Pookus McFly wrote:Hooper on 360 just said Brennan told him that he sees Cartwright as a ball playing 13. Would make him a must have if it unfilded that way early and shelve Arrow further down my wish list

    Anyone else think this is a waste of his running and offloading game?
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    Post by my tv broke Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:55 pm

    Pookus McFly wrote:Hooper on 360 just said Brennan told him that he sees Cartwright as a ball playing 13. Would make him a must have if it unfilded that way early and shelve Arrow further down my wish list

    Has cartwright ever played in the middle?

    Doesnt realy seem like hed have the workrate for it. At least at this stage of his career
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    Post by my tv broke Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:56 pm

    Cartright defendin at 2nd row and just being given a license to roam in attack makes more sense to me. Arrow is a guy who will make 45 tackles a game in the middle without breaking a sweat. You keep him there
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    Post by standard-issue Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:58 pm

    my tv broke wrote:
    Pookus McFly wrote:Hooper on 360 just said Brennan told him that he sees Cartwright as a ball playing 13. Would make him a must have if it unfilded that way early and shelve Arrow further down my wish list

    Has cartwright ever played in the middle?

    Doesnt realy seem like hed have the workrate for it. At least at this stage of his career

    Just had a squiz and from what I can see, no. What did the panel say about it?
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    Post by standard-issue Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:00 pm

    my tv broke wrote: Cartright defendin at 2nd row and just being given a license to roam in attack makes more sense to me. Arrow is a guy who will make 45 tackles a game in the middle without breaking a sweat. You keep him there

    Exactly, and I distinctly remember Arrow looked really good in attack in one of the trials I streamed last year. Seems like the perfect Lock.
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    Post by Mulvy Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:28 pm

    SI wrote:

    Just had a squiz and from what I can see, no.  What did the panel say about it?  

    It was only Hooper. He reckons he's spoken to Brennan who see's him as a roaming ball playing 13. I'm not convinced either.
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    Post by my tv broke Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:28 pm

    Arrow is basically a new Corey Parker. Using him any other way than a big minute lock would be a waste of a good signing for the titans.
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    Post by Welshy Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:30 pm

    my tv broke wrote:Arrow is basically a new Corey Parker. Using him any other way than a big minute lock would be a waste of a good signing for the titans.

    Agreed, especially playing Carty there whose defence is mediocre at best
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    Post by Dame G Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:41 pm

    Pookus McFly wrote:Yeah I would agree with Manners. But I am still going Brown for $115k less! Razz

    Yeah, I'd agree. The reason why I ask is that I've got the #5 pick in Fantasy Draft (and following that, #23 given reverse snake order). Shocked

    I'm assuming Smith, Taumololo, Crichton and DeBelin will be picked Top 4 (likely in that order).

    I'm just a bit nervous with Mannering as if he plays No. 12 he'll only score 40-45 pts/game, which would be a killer blow when my #23 pick will likely be someone like Matt Gillett (i.e. not captain worthy).

    At least Nathan Brown should be averaging 60+ minutes at Lock. I would go McCullough if it weren't for him coming back from injury.

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