2018 NRL.com Fantasy Thread Part 61

Fantasy question. Haven't made trade yet so still 4 left and was torn on selling James or SJ for Farah but brainstorm last night can sell Mbye>Farah and thinking play James and leave SJ as 18th man. Mbye was 18th man when Ponga back

zorasdomain wrote:
The guy in first is feeling a lot of pressure to do it this week, though, with Holland on the bench and Ponga sitting below him Feel like at this stage I'm silly not to do it knowing everyone else will be.

Mate, you would be a complete muppet not to do it, unless you morally/ethically believe its wrong, in which case that would make sense too.

To reiterate my 2 cents worth. I think the real value of looping comes into play from now till seasons end. I strongly believe you will be at a big disadvantage if you dont loop when you can from now on.

White Lightning wrote:

I only had Martin playing. A quiet night tonight as well with only Fifita playing. What worries me is Manly v Roosters on Sunday where I have 6 players.

I'm the same with only the 2 players in the first 3 games. Very boring start to the week.

Loomer wrote:Is this about looping?

I love looping. I made 3 videos yesterday explaining how because people always misunderstanding how it works. It exists, everyone can do it. What's the problem. It needs to exist for late injury replacements. The old AE system sucked

Not everyone has the time to do it - that assumes you choose to disregard the morale/ethical argument.

Also it doesn't need to exist for late injury replacements. Thats where ranked subs come in. You simply lock after the first game and you get the best of both worlds - cover for late injuries and it rids the game of loopholing which is a complete side who to what fantasy is supposed to be about!

Of interest, how come you needed to make three videos? 1 not enough? also, where are the videos, youtube?

zorasdomain wrote:
I'm the same with only the 2 players in the first 3 games. Very boring start to the week.

It was the same for me last week as well. Very boring indeed.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Not sure about that. Loopholing requires you have red dots, and perhaps one of the reasons he's ahead is that he doesn't have red dots. Particularly early in the season when generating cash is basically the name of the game, if you have red dots then I think you were at a big disadvantage, even if you were loopholing.

I think this is the big killer.

With a 21 man squad, the red dot required for looping robs you of too much cash generation in the early rounds.
Also limits your ability to get an actual AE if someone is a late withdrawal.

I loopholed a lot early through the unplanned absence of Katoa, and gained some points doing so, but would probably have been better off spending a trade to bring in a money maker instead.

I think with final teams now settled, and money generation mostly irrelevant, having an NPR who covers 2 of WFB/CTR/HLF will

Looping high-variance backs has potential for big gains (also losses, eg whoever people sub out for Holland could easily score 60+ this week)

If I could set up to do it now I would.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Mate, you would be a complete muppet not to do it, unless you morally/ethically believe its wrong, in which case that would make sense too.

To reiterate my 2 cents worth. I think the real value of looping comes into play from now till seasons end. I strongly believe you  will be at a big disadvantage if you dont loop when you can from now on.

Hopefully this will be the only week I can do it because it's going to be all green dots from here on
If it's not against the rules of the game then there is no real reason to be ethically opposed. No point being all high and mighty when I'm in this position with everyone behind me doing everything to catch me.
Watch now as Mbye scores 100.

Simple fact is - you can't have rolling lockout AND have proper ranked subs AND NOT have the ability to 'loophole' with red dot players.

It is impossible to code, because rolling lockout (the ability to move/sub/trade players that have not yet played) clashes directly with the purpose of ranked subs, and will always leave the ability to move players above or below someone who has played and locked.

They would of been aware of this going in. It would have been a business decision to keep rolling lockout, as it keeps the clicks coming, user engagement is the whole point - and I can't really argue with that.

It is part of the game whether you agree with it or not, and it will be part of the game next year as well. I don't really like it, probably because I've never had the opportunity to take an advantage from it

The ONLY thing they could do is simply lock each player in their position in the 21 once the round begins, but still allow trades - but that would limit you in some ways. Ie it would only allow you to then make a direct trade to someone who fits that position once the round has started. I suppose this wouldn't be too bad, you could still have a trade in mind, but wait for injury news before executing (for eg Brown to J Trbo or something) would people be in favour of this?

White Lightning wrote:

I only had Martin playing. A quiet night tonight as well with only Fifita playing. What worries me is Manly v Roosters on Sunday where I have 6 players.

Fingers crossed thats a fluid game then aye. A stop start game with a bunch of players is a disaster.

I had three going last night (Martin, Holland, and then Guth in my EMGs who will come in for Ponga). So a decent start. Im all out of trades now though so my season could go pair shaped real quick Im basically holding my breath for 7 rounds

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Not everyone has the time to do it - that assumes you choose to disregard the morale/ethical argument.

Also it doesn't need to exist for late injury replacements. Thats where ranked subs come in. You simply lock after the first game and you get the best of both worlds - cover for late injuries and it rids the game of loopholing which is a complete side who to what fantasy is supposed to be about!

Of interest, how come you needed to make three videos? 1 not enough? also, where are the videos, youtube?

I was at work and don't like the sound of my voice haha so made short one with DU recorder but was popular so made 2 more. 1. Basic Ponga loop. 2. Pivot loop. 3. Double position dual loop. Posted in thread on Rogues FB. Can upload in loophole thread if people want

Loomer wrote:

I was at work and don't like the sound of my voice haha so made short one with DU recorder but was popular so made 2 more. 1. Basic Ponga loop. 2. Pivot loop. 3. Double position dual loop. Posted in thread on Rogues FB. Can upload in loophole thread if people want

Good on you mate, sounds helpful!

I wouldn't mind seeing them to be honest although no dramas if you dont have the time. Im sure they would be a valuable addition to the loophole thread!

About 4 years ago in round 26 I did my first ever captains loophole (when you could bench your captain and still get his points while VC got double)

anyway I think the 2 players I loopholed were Parker and Smith, Parker got 60 so I benched smith, smith ended up getting 64 or something and I lost my head to head with a mate by 1 FAAARRKKING point (absolute truth). Still needles me to this day about it

1 point, after all the hand slapping, missed tackles, injuries, and 26 weeks of fantasy, 1 point

Welshy wrote:
I agree with you mate just as you say reckon we differ on the extent and effectiveness of it all. Really hope you stick around next season mate. And I’ll see you in the NFL fantasy stadium anyway!

Good on you mate. Im undecided on NFL this year. I'll definitely play if Sportdeck reinstate prizes for their comp, but if not I'll probably stay away. Ironically while I sit here at work, procrastinating and posting here every few minutes Im actually bloody time poor this year and fantasy is a killer in that sense

Have you included me in the leagues already over there? I haven't been on the thread at all tbh.

I've been playing fantasy super rugby this year too btw, on a different site. Thought I missed out on prices (came 2nd) after regular season only to find they seem to have added in the playoffs too. Hoping I can win that comp. Energy into that one tonight

Thinking trades are too limited for "sideways" trades that only net you 5-10 extra points a week at this stage of year. Few injuries hit and it will definitely be more valuable trading in someone that can get you 30 instead of a 0 for a red dot. Only way I would be doing most of these trades (Fifita>Taupau, Brown>JTurbo etc) would be if you had decent back up in every position and ~3 trades left afterwards to cover for injuries.

Who should sit out for Holland?

SJ, ARey, Aitken, Marsters, Teddy, MBye or Mitchell?

Im thinking MBye or Marsters.

Loomer wrote:Fantasy question. Haven't made trade yet so still 4 left and was torn on selling James or SJ for Farah but brainstorm last night can sell Mbye>Farah and thinking play James and leave SJ as 18th man. Mbye was 18th man when Ponga back

I would probably do that mate.

SI wrote:

Understand you are new to Fantasy and the forum, but to be honest they aren't great picks.  Stick around and soak up the info mate; lots to be learnt on here

SC bringing the savage the last week

Big ups to N Brown for repaying the faith.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

Of interest, how come you needed to make three videos? 1 not enough? also, where are the videos, youtube?

I've not seen Loomer's videos, but Facebook groups are still full of people who don't understand the new system, even basic questions about getting an FRF to sub in for a WFB come in almost every week.


I understand some confusion (its still not clear to me what position a DPP emergency will fill if both positions require an AE) but some people have gone a whole season without realising that its moved on from the previous system.

zorasdomain wrote:
I'm the same with only the 2 players in the first 3 games. Very boring start to the week.

You do realise there is an actual game being played which fantasy is based around ?

It's like saying my dogs shit because I forgot to feed my tamagotchi.