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This is a really hard week. Some devils advocate here as well.

I agree, Teddy is the primary trade in option. Lots of different ways to get him in though and this has me scratching my head.

Burns, injured. I tend to trade injured players rather than loop. Although I do see some benefit of holding here
Lane, I didn't vote for him so flick him no attachment at all
Mahoney, more like Mehoney!
Edwards, he has been held too long already.....

Re: Bateman. I'm not entirely sure he is a must have now. Although, I don't have a strong enough argument. Gut feel is that it is not sustainable and he'll be similarly priced nearer round 12.

I don't think Ponga should be on the radar this week for this team. Teams that already have Teddy through... gobble gobble

Any interest in Twal? I like him as a pick up

Sorry, waffled a bit. Will vote when the options pop out

Great discussion guys.

I don't have Edwards and think he's a dud personally, BUT with Burns already out we have far bigger issues and hopefully he can big out the few big scores we know he is capable of - particularly in the interim. I agree with Matt that Ponga could be a viable option now that it's confirmed his halves experiment is over. However we'd be making this pick on faith more than form

I'd rather forgo Bateman than Teddy although e can get them both if my numbers are right but we;'d need to lose Macca and Lane.

For me Teddy is a proven, slightly undervalued gun. Bateman looks great so far this season but we've only seen him three times, at two different positions/roles, and a bunch of attacking stats. My gut tells me he's a key to the puzzle this year though....

I agree that usually I wouldn't hold someone of Burns' value for looping, but at the moment I dont think we have much choice. Maybe next week we might be in a position to trade him, but this week we can at least look to loop him while we have him.

Whats the deal with Ponga? I agree he's a buy if he's at FB, either this week next or the week after, but whats his JS like at FB? I thought he was gonna be a half this year. Wont he return there soon enough?

Ponga's BE is high enough that we can afford to wait a week. EVen if he kills it with an 80 he won't rocket out of contention.

I think Teddy is more important than Bateman if we do have to choose. With Burns gone and Edwards unreliable, improving WFB is much better benefit than improving CTR (although with Capewell out we are relying on Bird continuing good scoring for the the moment there too)


McCullough is going to hover around the same price long term. he might jag a high score or low score to give his price a temporary dip, but I don't think he is a keeper. We'll probably want 2 of Smith/Cook/Farah eventually but wouldn't bring in any if them this week. just build a bank and get them in when we can afford it.
Mahoney might make a bit more cash, he will bust out a big score at some point, although don't know if its worth waiting for or not.

Xerri. Cartwright (if we trust his job security in the 2nd row), CHT are the other options we could consider if we want cash

So I guess the question is do we Cartwright oh grab CHT from the Warriors. Then get Tedesco as well if we van.

Random wrote:So I guess the question is do we Cartwright oh grab CHT from the Warriors. Then get Tedesco as well if we van.

I was going to suggest Carty in for Keighran. Carty started last week and actually named to start this week. Seems to have a new full time roll to play. DPP handy if we're playing with loophole Burns.
Haven't don the numbers on whether we can bring in both him and Tedesco. Tedesco needs to come in this week.

It would be amazing if the celeb team goes for Carty after all of the -ve experiences. What a turnaround!

Bringing in a half is more important than Tedesco (but if we can do both then that's great)

Carty $335k
Teddy $712k
CHT $212k

So (1) Carty + Teddy = $1047k
(2) CHT + Teddy = $924k

$225k in back means we have to find either $822k for (1) or $699k for (2)

Lane = $621k, Macca $706k, Mahoney $561k.

Could easily find the money as our cheaper options of Mahoney and Lane combine for $1182k so we'd have $360k CIB if we used them for (1).

Gives us heaps of options for next week too.

Alternatively max scoring by grabbing Teddy and Ponga... we could afford that too, but far more limited for next week....

Milchy wrote:
Bringing in a half is more important than Tedesco (but if we can do both then that's great)

Can we go Carty in for Keighran and Teddy in for Mahoney/Lane/Arrow

Milchy wrote:
Ponga's BE is high enough that we can afford to wait a week. EVen if he kills it with an 80 he won't rocket out of contention.

I think Teddy is more important than Bateman if we do have to choose. With Burns gone and Edwards unreliable, improving WFB is much better benefit than improving CTR (although with Capewell out we are relying on Bird continuing good scoring for the the moment there too)


McCullough is going to hover around the same price long term. he might jag a high score or low score to give his price a temporary dip, but I don't think he is a keeper. We'll probably want 2 of Smith/Cook/Farah eventually but wouldn't bring in any if them this week. just build a bank and get them in when we can afford it.
Mahoney might make a bit more cash, he will bust out a big score at some point, although don't know if its worth waiting for or not.

Xerri. Cartwright (if we trust his job security in the 2nd row), CHT are the other options we could consider if we want cash

Not a fan of CHT, if he gets the same role as Keighran had, we are in for some low scores again. Heard a radio interview with RTS, who was saying he will step up and do more of the ball playing.

Carty has a BE of 3, at his price point and potential, with some momentum in scoring already, he would be my preference.

Xerri is an awesome option too, but this week we need a half, or even 2 of them for coverage.

Don't see Cook being close to as good as last season, under Bennett, this is Reynold's team and his scores are showing that. He and Ponga should both be considered as serious options for a big upgrade in the halves this week, in what is definitely our weakest position. Reynolds also plays the first bye.

Bateman will average more than Teddy this season and is same price point at the moment. Teddy wears roller skates every time it rains. Bateman is consistent every week with a much higher floor as an 80 minute forward and the same upside ceiling when things click for him. He also plays the 1st Bye, so you will want him for sure by then, while Teddy plays neither bye and will have periods when you can pick him up after a series of low scores, that Bateman won't offer.

Well TLT threw us for a loop. I'm kinda glad we got Rein in last week with all this carnage. We can loop one person as we currently have 18/21 healthy.

It's obvious we need a half. Do we want to go premium (i.e. DCE, Reynolds, Cleary, SJ) or cheap (Cartwright, CHT) or somewhere in the middle (Munster, Moses)?

Of Brown (injured indefinite), Keighran (dropped) and Burns (injured - 4 weeks min) are we looking at cutting/holding?

Do we trade Edwards and have no WFB depth or what gun fullback do we get in (RTS, TTurbo, Tedesco, Ponga)? Or are there cheaper wfb options we like?

Can we get Bateman in? Twal also getting a lot of love do we want him? Is there any other names I've missed?

Gonna be another big decision week thats for sure

First priority is a half.

For premium halves, DCE not worth the cash IMO. Arey, Cleary and SJ better value (in that order IMO)

But I'd ignore them all for Bryce Cartwright. massive average as starting 2nd rower. Looks like he got that spot on merit not injury last week, so that makes him great value and I'd get him in for Keighran as trade 1.

That gives us $236k for trade 2.
By my maths that gives us Edwards to Tedesco with $0k in the bank.
Edwards is not going to be a keeper, so we want to ditch him at some point and the gap between Edwards and Tedesco is not going to get any closer any time soon.

Bateman is obviously the other tempting trade in, but I think Teddy gives the team better balance.

Mahoney, Lane, McCullough aren't going to lose big cash this week, and are still scoring fine so I don't see any urgent need to move them on.

Xerri and CHT are tempting cashouts, but I think we leave it for now.

Milchy wrote:First priority is a half.

For premium halves, DCE not worth the cash IMO. Arey, Cleary and SJ better value (in that order IMO)

But I'd ignore them all for Bryce Cartwright. massive average as starting 2nd rower. Looks like he got that spot on merit not injury last week, so that makes him great value and I'd get him in for Keighran as trade 1.

That gives us $236k for trade 2.
By my maths that gives us Edwards to Tedesco with $0k in the bank.
Edwards is not going to be a keeper, so we want to ditch him at some point and the gap between Edwards and Tedesco is not going to get any closer any time soon.

Bateman is obviously the other tempting trade in, but I think Teddy gives the team better balance.

Mahoney, Lane, McCullough aren't going to lose big cash this week, and are still scoring fine so I don't see any urgent need to move them on.

Xerri and CHT are tempting cashouts, but I think we leave it for now.

You are missing Ponga, who I think is better value than any of them now at Fullback.

Yes, Ponga is an option, although I think we can afford to wait a week to see him drop some more cash.

If we don't get Tedesco now he'll be going up in price in the short-medium term.

Ponga should have a couple of weeks sub $700k and might drop a couple of times before going up.

I'd rather get Tedesco or Bateman than Ponga this week

Are we going to loop this week?

Playing order means we can't loop Sivo/Ravalava using Burns.


I think a worthwhile lop would be

17. Garner
18. Burr
19. Brown

If Burr happens to put up a big score, we can swap out Garner (who might not even play anyway) as insurance against an injury recurrence.

If we are comfortable playing Sivo, we can move Burns to CTR and have

3. Burns

19. Brown
20. Bird
21. Ravalava

If Bird sucks we can swap Ravalava and Brown to get Rava instead. If we bring Bateman in, we'd need to put him at starting 2rf for this to work.

So double loop right? If I am reading correctly. Thats what I'd do, essentially a free look of Bird ahead of Rava and Burr ahead of Garner - and the cost is that we have to play Sivo at WFB.

That said, if Bird goes great and we wanted Rava over Sivo, we could still do that.

I like it. Not sure Burr will score enough to warrant taking him over Garner, but why not get a free look. I'd probably sub him in at 50+

Yeah we are looping. Have put a poll up again. I'll have final say but interested what people would do. This is one of the easier rounds to loop with a whole day break between games.

I came up with similar loops but I'd loop out Lawrie. In order I'd play Garner over Mahoney and both over Lawrie.

Rd 4 - Wrap-up

851 points this week. That puts us up to 1,946th overall, 46th in the FOG and 3rd in the Celebrity League.

Vote Results:

Captain Fifi -
Loops (Lost 4 points playing Bird over Ravalawa and Burr over Lawrie)
Played Sivo over Ravalawa lost us 10 points
We succesfully got rid of Edwards (lost more cash) and Keighran (not getting his spot back soon) for Cartwright (who was meh but gained cash) and Tedesco (enough said)





Ranta's Concerns

Dont have time for a full write-up this week but my main takeaways are:

- We have 0 cash in the bank.
- We still need money makers to get the money for a full gun 17.
- News on Burns and Brown are unlikely to come this week but we should keep an eye on them. We have trade outs this week (Macca/Lane) and some in following (Garner, Burr, Bird etc.) so we should be able to hold them but always need to consider the balance of cash making and saving trades.
- Guns I'm looking at include Farah, Cook, Smith, Bateman, Cleary, Arey, DCE and Crichton but I find Ponga the most tempting for this team as a keeper WFB to avoid playing wfb roulette.
- CHT is looking like a good money maker at a position we need. Is he the next Keighran or is he legit. Xerri also looked promising but is in on injuries so job security will always be a concern.
- We have max traded every week so far. Not a problem yet but soon we need to hold fire (can't see it happening myself but something to note)
- We should start looking to byes (Panthers, Manly, Eels, Rabbits, Bulldogs, Raiders, Titans, Cowboys). Not fully serious but just be open to it. Currently we have 13 players who will play that round but some will play origin (Tedesco, Morgan, Arrow,), have well and truly peaked (Mahoney, Lane, Cartwright, Sivo) or are injured and will likely play but might not (Burns, Brown). That means we only have 4 players mostly guaranteed.

Rein
Taupau
Murray, Arrow*, Lane*
Morgan*, Cartwright*
Burns*
CNK, Tedesco*, Sivo*

Mahoney*, Brown*

Next week (unless someone beats me to it) I'll put some price projections up to see exactly where I think we are at in terms of cash for a final 17. Think the timing is right to start looking at playing the longer game rather than putting out fires most weeks

Hope everyone is going well with their own teams.

Cap'n Ranta wrote:Rd 4 - Wrap-up

851 points this week. That puts us up to 1,946th overall, 46th in the FOG and 3rd in the Celebrity League.

Vote Results:

Captain Fifi -
Loops (Lost 4 points playing Bird over Ravalawa and Burr over Lawrie)  
Played Sivo over Ravalawa lost us 10 points
We succesfully got rid of Edwards (lost more cash) and Keighran (not getting his spot back soon) for Cartwright (who was meh but gained cash) and Tedesco (enough said)





Ranta's Concerns

Dont have time for a full write-up this week but my main takeaways are:

- We have 0 cash in the bank.
- We still need money makers to get the money for a full gun 17.
- News on Burns and Brown are unlikely to come this week but we should keep an eye on them. We have trade outs this week (Macca/Lane) and some in following (Garner, Burr, Bird etc.) so we should be able to hold them but always need to consider the balance of cash making and saving trades.
- Guns I'm looking at include Farah, Cook, Smith, Bateman, Cleary, Arey, DCE and Crichton but I find Ponga the most tempting for this team as a keeper WFB to avoid playing wfb roulette.
- CHT is looking like a good money maker at a position we need. Is he the next Keighran or is he legit.  Xerri also looked promising but is in on injuries so job security will always be a concern.
- We have max traded every week so far. Not a problem yet but soon we need to hold fire (can't see it happening myself but something to note)
- We should start looking to byes (Panthers, Manly, Eels, Rabbits, Bulldogs, Raiders, Titans, Cowboys). Not fully serious but just be open to it. Currently we have 13 players who will play that round but some will play origin (Tedesco, Morgan, Arrow,), have well and truly peaked (Mahoney, Lane, Cartwright, Sivo) or are injured and will likely play but might not (Burns, Brown). That means we only have 4 players mostly guaranteed.

Rein
Taupau
Murray, Arrow*, Lane*
Morgan*, Cartwright*
Burns*
CNK, Tedesco*, Sivo*

Mahoney*, Brown*

Next week (unless someone beats me to it) I'll put some price projections up to see exactly where I think we are at in terms of cash for a final 17. Think the timing is right to start looking at playing the longer game rather than putting out fires most weeks

Hope everyone is going well with their own teams.

To do all this every week on top of your own team is a massive testament to yourself and dedication to this forum! Outstanding effort mate