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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Wed May 15, 2019 7:04 am

    Cap'n Ranta wrote:Hey Guys,

    I'm back. Sorry for not making it last week but got absolutely smashed at work. Looks like the team did pretty well without me. Big thanks to Milchy and RnT for stepping up and running this.

    Still a bit tight on time but throwing my thoughts out there:

    With Keepers it doesn't matter what bye round they play. We won't be trading them out so a Milford vs Lolo debate doesn't matter to me (bird in the hand is always better but I'll live).
    It only matters with cash outs. If we get one playing 12 now it would help our numbers and scoring in 12 while also making cash. We are super low on trades though so while I'd love to take a punt on anyone we need to risk vs reward it.

    347k in the bank means we can buy pretty much any player we want Smile

    Trade Outs:
    In my order of priority this week

    Burr - Non 12 player that has a BE above his projected score. Not a lot of cash upside left in hoping for him to go back to 45+ scoring (unless he's a gun that goes 50.....IMO unlikely)
    Morgan - will play origin and will score 35-45 in the meantime (Not a lot of upside though he could jag a few scores)
    Mahoney - hold for 12 but another poor score could force us to reconsider
    Lawrie - Limited Cash upside but still would back to hit his BE for at least this week (more likely than those above him)
    Sivo - BE of 26 - Suspended for a week. If we hold for 2 games we get a rd12 scorer - easy hold
    Rein/CNK/Carty - both should be fine to get us to 12 while holding price
    Lomax/Dearden/Xerri - still making cash (probably a stretch to still be in our team on 2nd bye round)
    Everyone else - Keeper Don't touch them!

    Trade Ins:
    Assuming we followed my list we could have 1493k to put into players. Thats 2 keepers almost.........

    Keepers:
    Lolo - from a cash perspective he could wait a week
    Farah - I'm concerned with Liddle - again from aa cash perspective could wait a week
    Cook - Plays origin and also likely misses rd 13 but wont be cheaper in rd14
    Milford - I'm grabbing him this week for my team. 500+ km as well as the dominant attacking threat (shades of DCE for me). Will be incosistent but should have a much higher floor. The better Moses.
    RTS - Can wait for CNK
    Turbo - Can wait for CNK
    Cleary - Origin player

    Cashies
    L. Martin : He could be worth it.
    H. Young : Tapine is the main concern. Ricky is also a concern.
    Seve : Sneaky 2nd bye player with clear path to playing time (Scott broken foot)
    Staggs : Sneaky 2nd bye player with path to playing time (Roberts is out, Bird is out)
    Herbert : Sneaky 2nd bye player with path to playing time (he's still on the team)
    Turpin : Seggy likely hits this too hard
    Allan: Nothing impressive so far
    Field: No JS (wont be there for his bye rd)
    Simonsson: Will play 12 might be worth it..........


    For me:

    I bring in Milford for Morgan this week (rising price - gives us a good halves pairing).

    Next week Farah and Tolo in based on minutes and form this should be close enough to the bottom.

    To facilitate the double trade I would go for one of Martin or Young this week. Could even go both if people aren't sold on Milford. Best JS wise I'd bank on Staggs and Seve of that list but they dont play rd 12.

    Or go for the points and bring in Tolo this week and probably Young...... Next week we can grab whoever we like.

    Will put up the trade poll in the next 12 hours but just wanted to see if people have any other guys they want to put forward.


    Agree with most of this.

    I dont agree that it doesn't matter what bye round a player plays with regards to guns, here's why.

    It comes down to how far you have to project out. For round 12 its 3 games, for round 16 its 7. That's twice the risk of injury for a start. In other words in the Milf Tolo example, there is more chance Milf won't play 16 than Tolo won't play 12. Also while in theory you could go Milf this week and Tolo next, you never know whats around the corner. A couple injuries and you may well find your self in a position where next week we cant get Tolo - safe to get the round 12 player first as you have more time to get the round 16 guys. Lastly, regarding guns, who often are an Origin chance, projecting out to round 16 is a lot more difficult than predicting Origin 1 squads. Again re Milf vs Tolo, I think there is a risk Milford could play Origin 3. QLD may well be 2 nil down by then and be looking to make changes. Also, injury to anyone of the current halves probably puts Milf into serious reckoning.

    In short, while it may be slightly nuanced, with Keepers it does t matter what bye round they play.
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    Post by Krump Wed May 15, 2019 7:35 am

    Tolo for me too. I still think that there is a chance Milf plays Origin
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    Post by Cap'n Ranta Wed May 15, 2019 7:47 am

    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    Agree with most of this.

    I dont agree that it doesn't matter what bye round a player plays with regards to guns, here's why.

    It comes down to how far you have to project out. For round 12 its 3 games, for round 16 its 7. That's twice the risk of injury for a start. In other words in the Milf Tolo example, there is more chance Milf won't play 16 than Tolo won't play 12. Also while in theory you could go Milf this week and Tolo next, you never know whats around the corner. A couple injuries and you may well find your self in a position where next week we cant get Tolo - safe to get the round 12 player first as you have more time to get the round 16 guys. Lastly, regarding guns, who often are an Origin chance, projecting out to round 16 is a lot more difficult than predicting Origin 1 squads. Again re Milf vs Tolo, I think there is a risk Milford could play Origin 3. QLD may well be 2 nil down by then and be looking to make changes. Also, injury to anyone of the current halves probably puts Milf into serious reckoning.

    In short, while it may be slightly nuanced, with Keepers it does t matter what bye round they play.

    Milford may not be the best example with origin concerns but he was the first person I thought of. Cant plan for injuries but I do agree its easier to project to.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Wed May 15, 2019 8:19 am

    Cap'n Ranta wrote:

    Milford may not be the best example with origin concerns but he was the first person I thought of. Cant plan for injuries but I do agree its easier to project to.

    Yeah, that's my point. Basically every week a player is training and playing increases exposure risk to injury. All else equal, more chance a player will miss round 16 than 12 at this stage. Hence why I think prioritising bye planning for the first week is more sensible and hands down it would be Tolo for me this week.

    I do like Milford though - but he's risky IMO.
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    Post by TheWeapon Wed May 15, 2019 2:34 pm

    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    Yeah, that's my point. Basically every week a player is training and playing increases exposure risk to injury. All else equal, more chance a player will miss round 16 than 12 at this stage. Hence why I think prioritising bye planning for the first week is more sensible and hands down it would be Tolo for me this week.

    I do like Milford though - but he's risky IMO.

    True, I think it's more that if at this point we bring in a r12 player and they get injured, the decision is an easier one (likely a sell if they miss r12) than if we bring in an r16 player and they get injured. For me, I like the safe options of absolute certainties to not play origin (Taumalolo) vs. bringing in someone who is on the fringe and gets picked (which is probably what will happen to my fantasy team....Walker, Reynolds, Murray, Haas, Mahoney, Gutho, even Wighton....watch them all get picked and destroy my team)
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Thu May 16, 2019 1:47 pm

    We've got a few position decisions to make haven't we?

    Im guessing either Ponga to half and Lomax at WFB, or more likely either Deardon or Carty at half?

    Also, are we gonna make any late changes if either (or both) of the ARey / JDB issues actually come about?
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Mon May 20, 2019 8:21 am

    Early thoughts on trades everyone?

    I personally think we need to deal with our half spot - not loving Carty.

    I think we could switch Ponga to half and grab RTS or we could grab a half, my preference would be Pearce (prefer the RTS option though)

    I dont see the value in getting an Origin player at this point, hence ruling several people out.

    Pap could be interesting if TLT is favourable.

    Lawrie is the obvious out for me and perhaps could lean to just the one trade (unless there are injuries I haven't caught up on).

    The only other trade that crosses my mind right now is whether or not to try and upgrade Xeri?

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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Mon May 20, 2019 8:23 am

    FYI Team scored 960 for the round (round rank 4705).

    Team ranked 923 with $484k CITB 17 trades remaining and likely only 9 players to go for round 12.

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    Post by Cap'n Ranta Mon May 20, 2019 10:23 pm

    Team as it currently stands is:

    Smith
    Fifita, Haas
    Murray, Taumalolo, Arrow
    Reynolds, Cartwright
    Xerri, Nikora
    Ponga, Tedesco, CNK

    Rein, Mahoney, Taupau, Young
    Dearden, Sivo, Lawrie, Lomax

    With the exception of Lawrie who has peaked I think we are pretty set.

    CNK, Cartwright and Sivo could drop some coin over the next two weeks but likely not enough to consider trading them out in a bye round. Personally I think we hold fire this round. Lawrie can go this week for any gun we want but might be better to save as a cashout option for next week before we go HAM on guns.

    There will likely be some trouble dumping all of our rd 12 players as its a bit of a logjam (CNK, Sivo, Mahoney, Carty, Rein, Young) but we will look to fix that when we can. Either way Lawrie has to go so we dont have him as a problem either this week or next?

    Where's the forum at? Do we gun Lawrie up this week, take a rd 12 cashout next week or something else entirely?
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    Post by TheWeapon Mon May 20, 2019 10:47 pm

    How about Lawrie to AFB?
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    Post by Cap'n Ranta Mon May 20, 2019 11:17 pm

    TheWeapon wrote:How about Lawrie to AFB?

    Depends on what value you are seeing in AFB?

    I think with Taupau, Haas and Fifita we are pretty set on keeper FRFs. Personally I don't see the value (the two trades we spend to get 45 points next week).

    Is there something else you are seeing that makes him a better proposition?
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Tue May 21, 2019 7:01 am

    Cap'n Ranta wrote:

    Depends on what value you are seeing in AFB?

    I think with Taupau, Haas and Fifita we are pretty set on keeper FRFs. Personally I don't see the value (the two trades we spend to get 45 points next week).

    Is there something else you are seeing that makes him a better proposition?

    Im not advocating for AFB, but IMO we dont necessarily need to be searching for value at this point. The minimum requirement is that incoming players (at the upper price range) should be final 17 players. If they also provide value then that's a bonus IMO. AFB doesn't really fit either requirement so he wouldn't be an option for me.

    The funny thing about this season is there really isn't any other obvious round 12 guys to get, beyond the ones we have. Teams that have taken the punt on potential guns (myself included) have failed. Kikau & Martin spring to mind for me.

    I still think TTrbo might pop up prior to 12 so worth keeping an eye on him.

    In the meantime, prior to TLT my preference is still for RTS at WFB to enable Ponga to half and drop out Carty. I think that nets us 15 points per round on average, gives us another gun, one that plays a bye round (albeit round 16).

    In terms of 12, I think we keep our options open to ditch Lomax if someone obvious pops up. They would have to be a round 12 player, and at the least one that would make $150k + prior to 16.

    Otherwise I agree our team looks pretty set at this stage!

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    Post by Milchcow Tue May 21, 2019 7:08 am


    I guess one option is whether we make a play for Papenhuyzen or not.
    Depends on where he and Hughes are named this week, but he's a potential keeper, for much cheaper than RTS
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    Post by Milchcow Tue May 21, 2019 7:16 am


    Looking ahead post r12, we want to bring McInnes in r13 if we can, probably for Carty, maybe for Rein.

    Other R16 keepers we might be interested in are Farah, RTS (depending on if we go Pap or not and if he works out) Milf, Matteson (possible origin?) Twal, Pearce.

    We want to make sure we have room for Cook, JTurbo, Bateman for after Origin/injury return and maybe DCE and Ttrbo.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Tue May 21, 2019 7:27 am

    Milchy wrote:
    I guess one option is whether we make a play for Papenhuyzen or not.
    Depends on where he and Hughes are named this week, but he's a potential keeper, for much cheaper than RTS

    Yeah mate, agree 100% he is a buy without question if he is starts.

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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Tue May 21, 2019 7:31 am

    Milchy wrote:
    Looking ahead post r12, we want to bring McInnes in r13 if we can, probably for Carty, maybe for Rein.

    Other R16 keepers we might be interested in are Farah, RTS (depending on if we go Pap or not and if he works out) Milf, Matteson (possible origin?) Twal, Pearce.

    We want to make sure we have room for Cook, JTurbo, Bateman for after Origin/injury return and maybe DCE and Ttrbo.

    This all looks pretty sensible too.

    If anyone has the time, I'd love to see what we can afford.

    I wonder if Sam Burgess is a guy worth taking a risk on. Price has come right down and there's a chance he plays big minutes in the 13 jersey in round 12 and 13 if Murray plays Origin (I think he will).

    Its probably a risk this team won't take but just throwing it out there!
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    Post by TheWeapon Tue May 21, 2019 10:02 am

    Cap'n Ranta wrote:

    Depends on what value you are seeing in AFB?

    I think with Taupau, Haas and Fifita we are pretty set on keeper FRFs. Personally I don't see the value (the two trades we spend to get 45 points next week).

    Is there something else you are seeing that makes him a better proposition?

    Good points. If we discount the game where he got injured, he is averaging 53.4 (more than Taupau) and 100k cheaper, and one of the best options for r12. I guess it comes down to whether we see Taupau as a keeper, or do we move him on in R13 to McInnes or Farah?

    I'm not sold on AFB either - I was just looking at some low ownership r12 options for my team, so I threw it out there. He should be around the 700k mark by round 13 if he maintains his average, and the injury affected score rolls out.
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    Post by TheWeapon Tue May 21, 2019 10:05 am

    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    This all looks pretty sensible too.

    If anyone has the time, I'd love to see what we can afford.

    I wonder if Sam Burgess is a guy worth taking a risk on. Price has come right down and there's a chance he plays big minutes in the 13 jersey in round 12 and 13 if Murray plays Origin (I think he will).

    Its probably a risk this team won't take but just throwing it out there!

    I'd roll the dice on Surgess. I've had him in my team since round 1 and he hasn't done anything spectacular, but I feel there's a big score or two in him over the origin period. He was infuriating to watch on the weekend as he gave away about 5 penalties in a row though....
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Tue May 21, 2019 10:19 am

    I believe if we want to try and push for a top 50 finish we will need to roll the dice on one or two players for round 12 then trade hard into round 16.

    The community doesn't seem to agree though. People seem to be more inclined to take the safe sensible route which I think is a little boring given we really have nothing to lose on this team.

    Taupau I think is certainly a trade out candidate post 12 that's for sure.

    AFB and Surgess both can fire on their days - you grab those two and get lucky, you nab 120 points for round 12, make $100k+ which would currently would bump us into top 200 as opposed to clinging to top 1000 and makes putting the gun 17 side together easier!


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    Post by StuDogg101 Tue May 21, 2019 11:07 am

    If it was between AFB and Surgess I would plump for AFB. Surgess doesn't excite me at all so far this season, even over Origin

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