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    NRL Fantasy 2019 Part 18

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    Post by wolfking Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:06 am

    Chewie wrote:

    Yeah Wolfie go with your gut!
    There's some great advice on here, but not always the right advice for everyone's team. Good luck in getting into the elite this season!

    Thanks mate, considering I'm just inside the top 14000 after round 1..........I'm not holding my breath this year hahaha. Probably why I might as well go with it. Yes, there's nothing worse on being persuaded (not by fault by anyone) and talking yourself out of a pick and watch them go well and watch the player you talked yourself into go shit. Overthinking is a fucking bitch too that brings things unstuck sometimes. I don't think I'll worry too much with ranking and will probably have more fun going with the players I think and try and enjoy the game more instead of agonize over it. That's why someone like Holland, I'm really keeping the faith with and gonna ride him strong.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:08 am

    Cheers guys for thoughts on Bateman/Lawrie/Mikaele & also the great post on Host v Lawrie

    Im pretty set on taking the punt on Bateman. Yes, he got moved to the backs, but that wasn't until he'd played 67 minutes at lock. That's enough for me to decide he's a pretty good shot at being C 1 or 2 this year.

    I can see the argument for holding off on him for one more week to take another look as realistically he'll make somewhere in the $20 to $40k range (so not the end of the world if you dont get him). That said, if he's the 50 point gun C he looks like he could be then you are paying ~$140k (or ~10 points) under right now and I dont see anyone on the board, in that scoring range, presenting that kind of value, particularly in a position where that = Keeper.

    I'd be prioritising a few others over Bateman (e.g. Gillett, Morgan) but I have them.

    I also think its important to remember that Teddy and Crichton are going to be great pickups in the coming weeks. Its gonna be tough to get them both at their price troughs, but even tougher if Bateman confirms gun status and you have to find a way to get him too. Just another reason why I think taking the punt on Bateman this week is worth it.





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    Post by Iron Mike Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:08 am

    As you were, if you are listening, for the 50th time, Lawrie>Host, job security, points, everything, no questions asked.
    At full strength Lawrie could stay at Lock with Sims on bench and Friz on edge, Host may not even make bench over Leilua. Lawrie will always at least play 40 on bench.

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/03/19/throwback-forward-the-coffee-invitation-driving-st-george-illawarras-blake-lawrie/
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    Post by Iron Mike Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:11 am

    Iron Mike wrote:As you were, if you are listening, for the 50th time, Lawrie>Host, job security, points, everything, no questions asked.
    At full strength Lawrie could stay at Lock with Sims on bench and Friz on edge, Host may not even make bench over Leilua. Lawrie will always at least play 40 on bench.

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/03/19/throwback-forward-the-coffee-invitation-driving-st-george-illawarras-blake-lawrie/

    I know I'm quoting myself, but just talked myself out of picking up Host, who will be back to bench at best at full strength
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    Post by Loomer Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:15 am

    Thinking of holding off on Bateman and getting 2 cash makers. Lawrie or Mikaele and probably Bird because effective ownership means could be damaging not to own
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    Post by VERTiiGO Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:16 am

    Bateman is at such an awkward price.... i want him bad but literally cant do it without trading out Mahoney and Holland... so gonna go with

    Garrick>Lawrie
    Kahu>Staggs/Host/Mikaele??
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    Post by Ponga Yeo the Mann Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:17 am

    Iron Mike wrote:As you were, if you are listening, for the 50th time, Lawrie>Host, job security, points, everything, no questions asked.
    At full strength Lawrie could stay at Lock with Sims on bench and Friz on edge, Host may not even make bench over Leilua. Lawrie will always at least play 40 on bench.

    /

    You had me at: having a "40-year-old body like he's been sat at the pub

    Sign me up Beer
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    Post by Rapture_NRL Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:19 am

    CubanMafiaSandSlugs wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see Meaney come in at fullback for Dogs and Hoppa move back to centre to firm things up a bit. Montoya was awful and caught out numerous times, but admittedly so was Holland. I think 3 out of his 5 missed tackles was RTS shimmying and leaving him in his dust, to set up a try!
    Holland is a definite hold though. And maybe RTS score was overstated due to the ease in which he scored his points.

    I'm not surprised to see the various ludicrous annual pre-round-2 trades being thrown around as people jostle and knee-jerk after 1 round and not much context. Re-shuffling entire team and sacrificing guns to bring in relatively unknown players who've hit a good score.  

    There are a couple of obvious trade ins and outs. But aside that, I think we all need to remember it's round 1 where almost every game was played in the pouring rain. One score isn't enough to make season long decisions off. We need at least 3-4 weeks to see how things pan out.

    In saying that, it's vitally important to make quick cash early on to progress your team towards 18/19 guns as quickly as possible ready for the run in. So there is a balance which needs to be met.

    Anyway, my two bobs.

    Crazy trade out suggestions I've seen IMO:  Edwards, Arrow, Taupau, Cherry Evans, Johnson, Tedesco, Burns, Lane, Holland.

    Breathe everyone. It's round 1.

    Totally agree with you. I will however probably still trade Holland. That's not because I don't see him averaging 40s later, there's just too many value scorers at centre to be wasting my time waiting for him to come good. I have moved Nikora and Capewell (80 combined) there and I'm trading in Bird to take advantage of the price rises. With Bateman now likely the gun CTR with Latrell, it doesn't matter if Holland is going to score 40s. What matters now is making quick cash and getting to Bateman and Latrell. It would be different if I didn't have Capewell and Nikora.
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    Post by GreenMachine Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:19 am

    Dttragic2016 wrote:My two cents on the host v Lawrie debate.
    Their team when ksims and friz are back should be
    Tsims and Friz on the edges, ksims at lock.
    Lawrie Latimore Dufty leilua/host on the bench.

    If Lawrie is part of the middle rotation, he's fighting for mins with Vaughan Graham ksims and latimore.
    If there are 240 mins to go around here, he should be able to nab around 40 mins and therefore closer to 35 points long term as he's shown a great ppm so far.

    On top of that you get atleast a week if not a few more by friz missing in the fwd rotation of some potential 40 plus scores too.

    Host had 38 tackles on the weekend on the edge and from memory that's a massive outlier. He is cheaper, DPP and has more security of a starting spot but leilua did play well in the finals series and host historically hasn't been a high workrate player.

    TLDR, Lawrie over Host based on workrate/reliability
    All accurate. Here’s a short version...

    Blake Lawrie is a good kid and was a top junior. junior kangaroo. Blues U20.

    Jacob Host is bloody bang average.


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    Post by rhinoceroo Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:23 am

    Camo123 wrote:Who are people starting in the Keighran v Brown roulette this week (Brown v Dogs & Keighran v Tigers)

    Keighran obviously has GK bonus but it might be a tight game, whereas if Dogs defence is as non-existent as it was last week, Brown being the running half might lead to a good score

    Keighran's score was great, but honestly Green was handling 90% of the play and at least half Keighran's points were down to terrible Dogs defence. Brown should be the beneficiary of that this week.

    (Warriors might have been easing Keighran in and Green could be less dominant in coming weeks, but still Brown this week.)


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    Post by hymenbustas Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:24 am

    I had Host since day 0 so im praying a 212k cheapie comes along when the team is full strength as per above, don't think he's a great fantasy player. Hopefully good for 100k profit
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    Post by Chewie Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:24 am

    I feel like the fantasy Force is on my side after this weekend sunny
    After the Tigers game on the weekend I decided to drop Kahu, so I could get Garner's score of 58 (55 after updates). I brought in Josh Kerr as a bottom dollar non-player, and moved Dylan Brown into my EMG.
    This resulted in getting 55 points instead of DBrowns 30 points, not getting Kahu's average score, and after Frizz's injury likely having Josh Kerr playing this week. Very Happy
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    Post by Ponga Yeo the Mann Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:26 am

    Chewie wrote:I feel like the fantasy Force is on my side after this weekend sunny
    After the Tigers game on the weekend I decided to drop Kahu, so I could get Garner's score of 58 (55 after updates). I brought in Josh Kerr as a bottom dollar non-player, and moved Dylan Brown into my EMG.
    This resulted in getting 55 points instead of DBrowns 30 points, not getting Kahu's average score, and after Frizz's injury likely having Josh Kerr playing this week. Very Happy

    You owe the friz a testicle mate
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    Post by my tv broke Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:27 am

    rhinoceroo wrote:

    Keighran's score was great, but honestly Green was handling 90% of the play and at least half Keighran's points were down to terrible Dogs defence. Brown should be the beneficiary of that this week.

    (Warriors might have been easing Keighran in and Green could be less dominant in coming weeks, but still Brown this week.)

    Yeah I think I'll still play Brown. Dont see Keighran picking up points so easily this week. I'm not terribly confident in eiether of them getting much more than 30.

    I am considering trading Edwards to Morgan so I don't have to play either of Keighran/Brown, but it means I'd have to play Ravalawa. Rava potentially matches the cheap half anyway. Unfortunately I didn't see the Dragons game so I don't really know what to expect from Rava, will he maintain a decent amount of TB's? Afterall, its only been one game.


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    Post by Rapture_NRL Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:29 am

    wolfking wrote:My team;

    Macca
    Fifita Taupau
    Murray Arrow Radley
    Morgan Brown
    Nikora Holland
    Borris CNK Edwards

    Mahoney Capewell Burns Garner

    Keighan Garrick Sivo Rava

    I'm going to try and take a different approach this year.  I've never done that well in fantasy.  Last year I ranked 700 odd and the two years before that hovered around 500 odd.  I never seem to hit that elite level.  Since I don't have too much time this year with work commitments, I will try the approach of gut instincts and rolling with my initial thoughts.  This forum is brilliant and I love coming here every day, it's a perfect escape from this mortal coil, but I have been the victim of going with the crowd so many times.  This is not intended to have a go at the forum or anyone here.  A lot of the time it works, other times it doesn't.  I'll happily accept any feedback with my team and trades but going to try and limit asking for opinions, unless I'm genuinely stuck.  Granted most trades will probably be on the level and same thinking as everyone else, but I want to try and avoid that last minute change of players by persuasion unless it's my own.

    This week I have enough to go;

    Garrick to Bird/Host/Lawrie
    Radley to Bateman.  

    I'm thinking Bird but should go a forward since I have so many backs.  I have faith in Holland and Edwards but Radley was one I just didn't feel right about starting with.  Bateman was one I wanted to take a punt on but wussed out and he looked the goods.

    In relation to the Dragons debate, I think Host is probably a safer option even though he's a shittier player and scorer.  Sims back you would think would take the lock position moving Lawrie to the bench.  Host is obviously a edge forward and Lawrie a middle forward, so Lawrie seems riskier.  I don't see JDB coming back anytime soon and who knows with Friz.  Host does seem to have a coulple more weeks in him, but Leilua scares me also, but he's been pretty shit from what he's been doing IMO.  But also, who knows, if Friz comes back early both might be moved to the bench and Sims starts at lock and Friz back on a edge, who knows.  Bird seems like the best option for me as he's got job security and if last week is anything to go by, could be playable enough with great money making potential.

    Me neither Wolfie. Only cracked sub 1000 once lol who am I to give advice Laughing

    I like those trades. I have Sivo for your Garrick, but I'll probably keep Radley for now. Bateman is a solid option and if I wasn't going for cows I'd bring him in too.


    Just on Lawrie v Host, Lawrie just needs the minutes (1PPM). I think for the next few weeks he'll get (40ish). I read Friz said he'll be out up to 4 weeks, and Sims isn't back till next game, obviously JDB out. I think he'll eke out $150k at least until Frizell comes back. *Disclaimer: I need to play Lawrie in my 17*
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    Post by GreenMachine Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:29 am

    Chewie wrote:I feel like the fantasy Force is on my side after this weekend sunny
    After the Tigers game on the weekend I decided to drop Kahu, so I could get Garner's score of 58 (55 after updates). I brought in Josh Kerr as a bottom dollar non-player, and moved Dylan Brown into my EMG.
    This resulted in getting 55 points instead of DBrowns 30 points, not getting Kahu's average score, and after Frizz's injury likely having Josh Kerr playing this week. Very Happy
    Ride the wave Chewbacca because there’s always one around the corner in this game to dunk and tumble you to near drowning point. That one hit Rabs last week I think!
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    Post by Chewie Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:30 am

    Ponga Yeo the Mann wrote:

    You owe the friz a testicle mate

    Lol
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    Post by GreenMachine Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:31 am

    Rapture_NRL wrote:

    Me neither Wolfie. Only cracked sub 1000 once lol who am I to give advice Laughing
    Never worry about, or say that pal. You’re a strong contributor and forums like this die without people like you.

    Where’s DK disappeared to speaking of Top 1000?
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    Post by Rapture_NRL Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:32 am

    Dttragic2016 wrote:My two cents on the host v Lawrie debate.
    Their team when ksims and friz are back should be
    Tsims and Friz on the edges, ksims at lock.
    Lawrie Latimore Dufty leilua/host on the bench.

    If Lawrie is part of the middle rotation, he's fighting for mins with Vaughan Graham ksims and latimore.
    If there are 240 mins to go around here, he should be able to nab around 40 mins and therefore closer to 35 points long term as he's shown a great ppm so far.

    On top of that you get atleast a week if not a few more by friz missing in the fwd rotation of some potential 40 plus scores too.

    Host had 38 tackles on the weekend on the edge and from memory that's a massive outlier. He is cheaper, DPP and has more security of a starting spot but leilua did play well in the finals series and host historically hasn't been a high workrate player.

    TLDR, Lawrie over Host based on workrate/reliability

    Good analysis bro. He only needs to hit 40s while Friz is out to be worth the while
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    Post by Chewie Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:34 am

    GreenMachine wrote:
    Ride the wave Chewbacca because there’s always one around the corner in this game to dunk and tumble you to near drowning point. That one hit Rabs last week I think!

    Highs and lows of fantasy. I know it can all fall apart this coming weekend so I'm taking it into my stride while it lasts.

    Yeah Rabs and Wolfie got dunked hard last weekend pale

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