NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 3

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Centre is a waste land where even the "guns" can dish up a sub 20 on any given week. I'm way more comfortable taking a chance on a rookie in that position, rather than a halves position where the jump from reserve grade to first grade is enormous

The centre question aside, why were people happy to have Brown in their 17 last year but not Luai this year? I'm not talking about starting position necessarily but on the interchange.

Mulvy wrote:

The centre question aside, why were people happy to have Brown in their 17 last year but not Luai this year? I'm not talking about starting position necessarily but on the interchange.

Last year most people started Brown and Keighran and played 1 of them each week based on form/matchup

I can see something like that happening here with maybe Luai and Mann or similar

Thoughts on this team???

Koroisau

Haas (c) Carrigan

Lowe, Matto, J.Williams

Cleary, Moses

Best, Lomax

Brimmo, Pap, Isaako

Su'a, B Brailey, Stimson, Grant

Luai, Talau, 228k, 228k

On a serious note the reason I expect the Broncos to be slightly better is due to the system he runs and the coaching tree he is from.

Of the current coaches in the NRL most of them have come from the coaching tree of either Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy.

Bennett is less meticulous in his game planning, preferring to focus on man management to get players peaking at the right time of the year, relying on his assistants to do most of the day to day nuts and bolts.

Bellamy likes to control everything down to the micro detail. His clubs have sets planned starting from every area of the field, be it an attacking set or a get out of trouble set. Because of this his game planning and coaching style take a little longer to implement and perfect

When Seibold started at South Sydney he was following another Bellamy disciple Michael McGuire, who had already done a lot of the hard work with the veterans implementing that style of football. This meant is was very plug and play with his own unique twists, which saw a high quality Souths team from almost day 1.

When Seibold went to Brisbane he was suddenly working with a team used to a very different coaching tree. Instead of letting the team go out and play largely instinctive footy, Seibold stuck to his guns and tried to implement set plays and structures every step of the way. This meant that while Brisbane had one of the most talented sides in the league, they rarely played up to their potential. Seibold tried to rejig their entire football structure rather than add his own twists to what was working

Compare this to Wayne Bennett moving to Souths Sydney. The majority of the squad was already in the mindset of set plays and structure. Wayne Bennett being the all time great coach decided an overhaul was not necessary, instead focusing on the man management to get the best out of his team.

What this means is Broncos have another off season to work on the complicated game plan and naturally being more experienced should see incremental improvement.

As a side note this is Michael McGuire's second season in charge of the Tigers. Expect to see similar improvement from the Tigers side despite their lack of talent

Mulvy wrote:

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Centre is a waste land where even the "guns" can dish up a sub 20 on any given week. I'm way more comfortable taking a chance on a rookie in that position, rather than a halves position where the jump from reserve grade to first grade is enormous

The centre question aside, why were people happy to have Brown in their 17 last year but not Luai this year? I'm not talking about starting position necessarily but on the interchange.

It is like Milchcow said, it is purely down to having a back up in that position if they go bust. If you start with Luai there, it is unlikely you have any other HLF cover. As long as you have 1 solid option, then you can have two cheap options like Brown and Keighran were last year.

KingTeddy wrote:Thoughts on this team???

Koroisau

Haas (c) Carrigan

Lowe, Matto, J.Williams

Cleary, Moses

Best, Lomax

Brimmo, Pap, Isaako

Su'a, B Brailey, Stimson, Grant

Luai, Talau, 228k, 228k

Pretty similar to many teams round these parts, expect opening with Koro.

If it were me, I’d be choosing one of Cleary and Moses and strengthen the 2nd row.

RandomSil wrote:

It is like Milchcow said, it is purely down to having a back up in that position if they go bust. If you start with Luai there, it is unlikely you have any other HLF cover. As long as you have 1 solid option, then you can have two cheap options like Brown and Keighran were last year.

My current team has Luai as starting half, next to Mann, with Brimson in reserves for cover for both WFB and HLF.

Fortitude wrote:

Pretty similar to many teams round these parts, expect opening with Koro.

If it were me, I’d be choosing one of Cleary and Moses and strengthen the 2nd row.

I think thats a great idea. i just dont know who to get for Moses, I have concerns over Mann and Luai

Mulvy wrote:

The centre question aside, why were people happy to have Brown in their 17 last year but not Luai this year? I'm not talking about starting position necessarily but on the interchange.

It wasn't a very good idea last year but it happened to work out okay between Brown, Keighran and eventually CHT. The thing that scares me off starting with Luai in the 17 is that we have seen his floor. Scores of 18, 22 and 30 in 70+ minutes at 5/8. I note that both halves next to him in these games (Maloney x2, Cleary x1) had monster kick metres.

The other thing scaring me away is that we don't know what is happening with Tyrone May. Cleary and May have played a lot of football together as well as being good mates. A couple of losses on the trot could see a reshuffle to the much more expensive May(420k last year but not yet in the system)

Ivan Cleary has also let us know he hasn't forgotten May.

"We still have Tyrone May ... although I realise his situation is not settled at the moment. I would like him as part of my squad this year and he's another option [in the halves] for us," Cleary said in December."

TL;DR the risk is way higher in the halves than centre

KingTeddy wrote:

I think thats a great idea. i just dont know who to get for Moses, I have concerns over Mann and 

Mate with concerns over those 2 Mann and Luai, I’d suggest you look at carrying Luai as 18th man and then look at a middle ranger like Croft or Flanagan. Out of those 2 I prefer Croft I think he has a bit more upside, but each to their own!

As of right now Croft and Moses are my halves.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Half the forum are Broncos fans and have unrealistic expectations

Over a decade of mediocrity (at best), off field scandals, two of the worst NRL coaches in history with Henjack and Griffin, the 2015 Grand Final post buzzer heartbreak and the recent coach swap debacle - my expectations are pretty fucken low to be fair, and I’m still usually disappointed!

We are gonna kill it this year though!  

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

Centre is a waste land where even the "guns" can dish up a sub 20 on any given week. I'm way more comfortable taking a chance on a rookie in that position, rather than a halves position where the jump from reserve grade to first grade is enormous

The only real exception to this IMO is Burns in games he doesn't get injured in. He's got crazy good base for a centre and I don't remember him going sub 30 for anything other than injury-affected games

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

It wasn't a very good idea last year but it happened to work out okay between Brown, Keighran and eventually CHT. The thing that scares me off starting with Luai in the 17 is that we have seen his floor. Scores of 18, 22 and 30 in 70+ minutes at 5/8. I note that both halves next to him in these games (Maloney x2, Cleary x1) had monster kick metres.

The other thing scaring me away is that we don't know what is happening with Tyrone May. Cleary and May have played a lot of football together as well as being good mates. A couple of losses on the trot could see a reshuffle to the much more expensive May(420k last year but not yet in the system)

Ivan Cleary has also let us know he hasn't forgotten May.

"We still have Tyrone May ... although I realise his situation is not settled at the moment. I would like him as part of my squad this year and he's another option [in the halves] for us," Cleary said in December."

TL;DR the risk is way higher in the halves than centre

There's also Matt Burton who got promoted to top 30 as well who played a pretty decent game on debut.

McInnes
Haas (C) Knight
D.Fifita, Williams, Su'A
Cleary, Croft
Lomax, Best
Papy, Brimson, Drinkwater

Brailey, Stimson, Grant, Milne
Luai, Magoulias, Talau, 228k

14k itb

Not set on Drinkwater or the centres but feel ive found a good balance on every line. Talau, Milne and others on my bench are placeholders meaning they will change if they are not selected for round 1 or if other options present themselves.

Mulvy wrote:

I think it's important to point out, that in those games where he played over 40 min, he actually averaged 62 minutes to get those 47 points. So he doesn't need over forty, or fifty minutes as you say, he needs 60+.

Bit of an oversight on my part, thanks for pointing that out. I was actually only looking at 2019, so his average mins for games over 40 mins were 58, but your point stands

I think having him play 55-60 is quite realistic and he could still achieve those numbers as he achieved those numbers in 58 mins

i looked at lowe on footystatistics.com and he didn't score well last year when playing over 60 minutes so why is everyone so hooked on him?

Thoughts on Frizz? Was average last year, like most of the Dragons. But priced as decent mid ranger, we know he's a 45+ guy normally.

I'm thinking Ash Taylor is due to turn the corner a bit, another guy coming off a bad season.

I have Cotric ATM as my 3rd WFB, basically the same as the others. Should take more attacking ball without Rapana and Leliua I would have thought.
Tino

Faasuamaleaui won't be getting many minutes under Bellamey I'm assuming, but I have him in there ATM.. Grant will be straight in for him though.

FalconSloth wrote:i looked at lowe on footystatistics.com and he didn't score well last year when playing over 60 minutes so why is everyone so hooked on him?

Not in my team either, over-rated

Camo123 wrote:

Bit of an oversight on my part, thanks for pointing that out. I was actually only looking at 2019, so his average mins for games over 40 mins were 58, but your point stands

I think having him play 55-60 is quite realistic and he could still achieve those numbers as he achieved those numbers in 58 mins

Chee Kam or Lawrence off the bench doesn’t worry you?

rank Su'a, lowe, tapine, Leilua, Williams, Stimson
and under priced guns: Matterson, Fifita and Garner